Its so frustrating to wait 30-45 minutes to form a key, and one wipe and the tank leaves, Please Blizzard, do another Ban Wave, this is getting out of hand. Its not fair, its like paying a company so they can carelessly waste everyone’s time and have absolutely no justice.
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I get where you’re coming from—nothing kills the mood like spending 30+ minutes forming a group just to have someone bail after one wipe. It’s frustrating, especially in higher keys where time and coordination matter a lot more.
That said, I don’t think a ban wave is the right solution. Sometimes players leave for legit reasons—RL emergencies, DCs, or they just realize the group isn’t going to make the timer. Blizzard cracking down too hard could backfire and make people afraid to pug at all.
What we do need is better incentives to stick it out after a wipe, maybe bonus rewards for completing a run regardless of the timer, or some kind of deserter penalty that’s fair but not overly punishing. More transparency and better tools to track leaver behavior would go a long way too.
How do you think Blizzard could make group content feel less punishing without making people afraid to join pugs?
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Well, it’d be nice to see people be punished for their bad behavior… but I don’t think blizzard is brave enough to actually punish the players that need to be punished for their actions… don’t expect justice though.
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Why do you think a ban wave like they did before, would have any effect on this?
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It’s a competitive mode, and not everyone is going to take it seriously.
Just move on from those groups.
Only realistic thing you can do, is dust yourself off and try again.
Don’t let the losers bring you down- it’s only impossible if you completely give up.
It is 100% doable, and always has been.
Groups can be annoying, but that’s ultimately nothing new in WoW.
Giving up fully, is the only way you’ll truly fail at something.
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im with you. people leave for lots of reasons. hell, the only times i leave are if i can see the team isnt going to time a run or/and there trolls/throwers in the group making it harder for everyone else then it should be
also the ban wave hit innocent people. it just did a “if X leaves more then Y times in Z days/weeks its a ban”, without looking at WHY X left and just throw the baby out with the bathwater. sure it got the trolls, but it also hit legit people like me that tried to push keys and as a pugger all i found where the bottom of the barrel people and the trolls
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Is there a single example of that ban wave hitting innocent people?
it took an absolutely insane amount of leaving for it to go into effect.
Every person I saw that tried to ffight it, it was revealed they were leaving hundreds of keys a week or something insane.
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I mean, sure… they can. But that may not solve your problem with that tank. For all we know, that’s only the first or second time the tank has left a key.
I’m not sure why you would.
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i know of quite a few guild members and rl friends that got hit by it, me included
for me it was because as a pugger for a week or so at the end of the season all the keys i were getting into were being screwed by trolls, throwers, people overpulling or/and people that was so under geared they died when a mob looked at them. all i was tryin to do was push my key score just a bit higher
and yet it was my fault for leaving those runs? ok, sure thing
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Man…You left like 500 keys in a single week?
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Make your own key groups. You’ll see a lot of those doing full KSL clears do them with the exact same people for every single key and do not pug one single thing. You must try the same.
And also there is the fact that some MMOs do ban/suspended players who leave content like this. So they now just auto d/c themselves to get a free instance boot. If Blizz began to ban people for leaving keys, you would see a lot more players doing that here in WoW too…one of the old tricks in the book… just hard unplug your connection to “disconnect” from the game.
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lol, no. even if i could as a dps id need to get invited to 500 keys first to leave them , lol
and now you see the problem. i left a handful at most and still got hit by it. just shows how broken the banning was
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Not enough info and hyperbole.
If it takes 30+ minutes to fill a group you might be trying to make a group for a key level you might not be ready for or have expectations set way too high on who you’d invite, which can backfire because if you invite someone who is vastly overqualified (won’t get any rating from it) and the person thinks it will be a carry key, of course they will leave.
It’s also impossible to tell why someone would leave without being there for that instance, be it poor play from DPS, healer, or the tank, players trolling or players looking for a carry, or just unforeseen circumstances.
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Yeah.
I do not believe you.
The ban wave was not targeting people who left a handful of keys. It took hundreds of leaves for anyone to be swept up on it. Everyone has left a handful of keys.
If you and your guildies were banned, it was for other reasons.
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then you think me, a hunter, got into 100s of keys within a few weeks? even more so at the end of a season?
then you think i left all of them?
your logic is flawed
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Hey, you are the one saying you met the requirements of getting banned for leaving hundreds of keys.
I just took you at your word.
The ban wave did not target people leaving a handful of keys. We would have heard some backlash if it did.
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Didn’t they remove depleting keys?
Just go again bro, it’s not that serious my god.
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and im saying the “requirements” were bs and way to strict
did i leave keys? yes, but only caz the run was bricked by trolls, throwers or/and noobs
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At one point they were considering deserter debuff to be 30 days. I would think this is fair at this point.
Time is the most precious resource we as humans have… wasting that time whether it depletes the key or not, is incredibly frustrating and disrespectful to your fellow players.
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