Great changes though I believe to really balance paladins they should not be able to dps while being completely immune to all damage and spells from their bubbles
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So take away the one unqiue feature of the class?
Lets just take away Shaman Totems too
And druids being able to shape-shift
Also Rogues don’t need stealth it’s an unfair mechanic
Mages also shouldn’t be able to blink or Ice Block or cast a spell that literally goes through bubble.
Warriors shouldn’t be able to charge, thats just completely unfair
Also lets just take away the hunter’s weapons, they can fist-fight.
but at the end of the day we all know this thread is just
BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT
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totems = auras and blessings way more than being the equal to bubble.
all bubble really has been is being able to go immune and not to kill people while in bubble. the landscape has changed and they can actually kill you WHILE BEING IMMUNE TO NEARLY EVERY CC AND FORM OF DAMAGE IN THE GAME which is patently unfair and you know it.
core function to the class and still not the equal to bubble . it would be more like the fact that shifting removes all snares or something.
i agree with this 
the ability to go invisible and choose your own fights is way out of balance especially combined with the damage they do. but again not the equal to bubble it would be more like taking their stuns away.
i could go on but youre making false comparisions here.
What do you mean over a year? They’ve only been strong a few phases.
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xtra being a clown as always, why the heck are we not suprised.
The Paladin community truly outdo themselves with these takes every time lmao.
Going into a full damage, cc, counterplayer 12 second immunity bubble while still pumping is the only class identity that Paladins have? Is wearing a helmet while you play this game apart of that class fantasy too?
But oh no, Warriors can charge.
go off, king lmaoooooooooo
Inb4 balefire meme makes an appearance
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sure thing there brotato chip.
maybe try and counter the points being made ?
or maybe you cant and you just resort to insults.
Then do people a favor and put in the effort to do your research because it is no effort at all lmao. Just some statement to make pally look overtuned when it was clearly not.
it clearly is.
ive also done quite a bit more research than you have.
i did make 1 mistake in typing in the other thread but owned up to it and it diddnt make my point any less valid.
pallies clearly have the biggest burst in the game that is more reliable and quicker to get off than nearly every other form of burst AND they were parsing higher than everyone in the sims meaning even more damage and burst.
they clearly felt it needed tuned and thus it is getting tuned.
also i defy you to counter my earlier post in this thread too.
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Not taking it away - still plenty of things a paladin can do while entirely immune.
But way to be dramatic ha
tunnel visioning on pally and ignoring classes that can perform between 11k-15k DPS is no research at all. Warlocks, Enhance2h, SP and Warriors all did inbetween those with Fire Mages barely getting into that threshhold.
Elemental stacking their rolling thunder has been a faster thing to stack and is ranged, did that see any kind of adjustment? Or hunters popping people with KS and killing people from ranged?
You say paladins deserved the nerf yet if pallies deserved it, what about the other classes listed here? Especially the ones that got away scotfree without
Where the nerfs for those two? Oh wait Blizzard don’t nerf their golden children class shaman and thats a fact.
When was even the last time when a shaman nerf was a significant nerf without being a short stop? Only enhance who got screwed over out of their healing, like ret. But still way more meta than rets.
You mean back in MC phase where they had to gear like glass cannons and and they should be able to do so even if they were in bubble. High risk high reward, meanwhile shamans have low risk and high reward. But hey paladin is the issue right? 
You also act as if people cannot use defensives which are even better than a bubble right due to the accessability and uptime? But then again why adjust certain OP defensives on a min CD but nerf anything else because having 1min high value defensives is super balanced and totally not an issue to keep a fight going in PvP forever.
That is not even adressing other things shamans have and will continue to have next phase while other classes are losing things.
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You’re just not a serious person and that right there is why you have no credibility.
all classes whos burst pales in comparision to pallies burst currently before all the changes.
if you dont count the 40 seconds it takes to cast all the lb/cl to stack it (at 50% proc rate i might add) while also NOT GETTING HIT AT ALL.
i am a firm believer that boomkin /hunters/tank shaman /resto shaman / and pally need nerfs . pally is getting nerfs right now but i hope the others get nerfed too. this isnt the gotcha you think it is.
to say ret isnt meta is dishonest at best. ret somehow even if it isnt meta is top 3 in played classes despite being a faction only class last time i checked.
being able to go nearly completely immune to all cc and most forms of damage somehow not enough for you?
the pallies ive gone against use it very well to negate purge spam and cc while getting to the target and then cancel and 1-2 global people.
funny how you think its some high risk high reward thing.
anyways , you clearly are not being serious with the earth shock rolling thunder thing so i dont know why im even bothering to respond to your crap.
ahh well . got me to respond i guess.
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They have dealt half damage in bubble for over half a year. Complaining about paladin bubble making you immune after its been in the game for 21 years is genuinely insane.
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alot of things have changed in the meta from 21 years ago and its clearly not as balanced as it once was.
but did you mean to be dishonest or what?
Enhance can have good burst, Warlocks/SP dots, warriors can zugzug 2 people at the same time with sweeping, but hey pally is an issue like always .
r1 lightning bolt exists to just stack it, always has been good.
Ret isn’t meta since the bubble nerfs and only has been meta for a short period unlike some other offenders of meta. Feels great to be delusional when our resources are finite as a melee whilst
- boomie can innervate and heal,
- shamans can insta heal and have a 1min innervate+defensive
Rets holding down the fort being the worst hybrid dps in PvP, if we heal someone we heal them for either 2k or 250hp per HL/DL or FoL.
Yet you have been ignorant of shaman nerfs whenever that is mentioned. You always wanted other classes to get nerfed before your main class. It took you ages to admit that even. As long shaman is the last class to be nerfed in their hybrid tax you are happy, the sign of a selfish player.
Current bubble just allows you to use it as a second trinket, heal and then get nuked anyways because paladins do not have defensives for 48s at best. You complaining about pally being able to do damage from bubble consistently even post nerf is geniune skill issue.
Win-Win
You utterly kill the person post bubble after they used a CC of some shorts and get away.
Or you managed to survive without killing a single person.
Win-Lose
Kill person during or post bubble, die afterwards
Lose-Lose
Use it, dont manage to do whatever you wanted to do, die anyways.
You are saying there is no risk of using bubble? Please say that again once you have played a pally at 60.
Not being honest about that option and just ignoring it isn’t how it works. It is a real option you can do, but choose not to. Similar to rets stacking reckoning to disenchant people. Ironic of you to talk about others being dishonest whilst being the one doing it consistently.
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again youre being dishonest.
none of them have the burst pallies have and its not even close.
you are smoking some bad stuff if you think people are getting it off in pvp and the point that youre ignoring is pallies have way quicker setup time (somewhere around 6 seconds to setup and get off) and just as much burst as an ability that takes over 20 globals just to setup and then another global to get off WHILE NOT BEING HIT THE WHOLE TIME.
why yes , lets play down our strenghts and boost our opponents !
boomie isnt healing much at all in boomkin form.
shamans instant heal heals for crap both in the malestrom weapon LHW and the riptide versions.
yes shamanistic rage is strong but i would love to add the fact that shaman dps spells are all mana hogs and you can run out very quickly if you arent a tank running the mana back on blocks totem and actually blocking stuff.
the rets being the worst hybrid in pvp is a joke right?
no ive been pretty clear on when ive felt classes ive played and even classes i havent have been op .
i diddnt just jump to the conclusion i took time and did actual work looking into them all.
which is more than i can say for you.
go on and look back way back in p2 onward where i clearly stated and lobbied for way of earth to require a shield.
and many other nerfs that i suggested that were implemented .
maybe i know more than you think?
tell me oh wise one, what do you do when a pally gets close and is wacking on you while bubbled?
if you dont have a speed boost good luck getting away while they get free wailing time on you for 10+ seconds.
you make it sound like they do no damage at all and after bubble falls off they wont do even more damage while they are stuck to you like glue.
heh. sure thing there dude.
ive been upfront and honest with what i say and i am consistent until new info changes my mind.
i honestly hate that you guys got your playstyle messed with but im not sad about you losing burst.
gl being wrong there kiddo.
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Nice first post you made. Incredible rebuttal
The argument of…other classes are broken so its ok for me to be broken is not really an argument.
Paladins have some of the best buffs and toolkit in the game, they need to be kept in check. Within a little over a phase, paladins became one of the most played classes, more so than shamans in any phase, and they are faction locked hard. This is not because they suddenly became interesting; players crave advantage and power and paladins gave just that.
You’ll be fine. Even if you were bottom barrel dps, you’d be still highly desired in raids just due to utility.
Theres a lot holding back a paladin, current meta classes can use CDs to prevent paladins to do anything harmful against them, multiple people even explained that before this thread. Yet everyone here is so oblivious to that type of counterplay and still repeat the same clown posts as before.
Saying that paladin is broken whilst other classes do the damage pally does from range and with potential positional advantage is hilarious.
If people use brain against paladin you beat em 9/10 times. Instead they get send back to the forums by Ark and start complaining about paladin without the thought of other classes being far worse to play against and in to.
I would like to see people to 100-0 boomies/shamans/hunters without losing 50%+ of their HP themselves while not playing a CC reliant class like pally and rogue.
Paladin is still melee, that is what keeps them in check. The only thing keeping hunter in comparison in check is the 45s window of no Rapid Fire up to spam Killshot down your throat.
Other classes furfill that already, wont need ret as DPS at that point.
Some of those mentioned have the burst, but ignorance has been doing you good.
Takes less mana than ret healing and has more scaling compared to ret healing. Its a total win on both ends, they dont even need to be in combat to get some sort of resource recovery.
LHW heals way more as enhance than a FoL does for a ret, what are you talking about?
Riptide is only a thing that should not trigger instant CH casts which heal even more thanks to Riptide. Both CH and LHW have higher healing output compared to what paladins get as a hybrid.
LvB is not mana intensive at all, CL is, but you dont use that.
Paladins mana gets eaten up by cleansing, putting up Seals, healing, buffing and the only way to restore our mana is by having a libram that buffs crusader strikes mana return. Crusader Strike being a melee ability and the alternatives are drinking or using GbtL, which is a garbage rune with a massive downside of screwing with healing even more and is a magic effect.
Paladin spells cost on avg more compared to our mana pool than shamans spells to their mana pool.
Still are, hasnt really changed since the Guarded by the Light/Sheathe of Light changes in P2. Enhancers are better offhealers than rets.