Too Much Stuff

DH just has a little too much in PvP… like I’m not going to sit here and tell everyone how it should be gutted… but…
Blade dance immunity…
Blur dodge and mitigation…
Rain doing massive chunks…
Mana Burn…
2 dashes and a backflip…
2 stuns…
Ranged banish…
Longest burst in history…
Passive healing without effort…
Ranged Kick…
Purge…
Darkness…
Great damage…

The list is just too long… like just one thing nerfed… just one would be great!

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Weird that you don’t have any posts concerned with pvp class balance when unholy dk’s were brokenly op.

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Have you seen all the other classes not that they aren’t in a good spot but they definitely aren’t broken considering you have fire mages and destro locks downing people in 2-3 spells

In other news, PvP happened

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Also known as no burst.

That does’t last long unless you talent into it and has a long cooldown.

15y… Same as DK.

Seriously though, what are you complaining about? What if we list stuff DKs have?

  • Death Grip
  • Ranged interrupt
  • Pets
  • Healing absorb
  • Monstrous healing
  • Incredible burst
  • Slow immunity to a certain point and displacement immunity
  • Magic immunity
  • CC immunity
  • Ranged damage
  • DoT damage
  • Various aura debuffs
  • 2 stuns

And that’s just for one spec.

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You forgot pet kick, so 2 kicks

OP: DH is strong but missing significant core mechanics (mortal strike, snare) to make it as popular as other melee classes. As such, DH is limited to cleave comps (DH/War, DH/DK) to be competitive, and neither of these comps can hold a candle to rogue/mage/x or destro/x/x.

You’re looking at it in a vacuum. Yeah DH has a stellar kit but it doesn’t synchronize very well with any of the god tier classes. DH tends to shine when it has a partner that can provide intense healer pressure (mana burn + mortal strike) or intense cleave (DH AoE + Legion moonkin for example). For clarity, rogue and DH overlap every single type of DR on their CC kits (stuns and incap/dizzy/charm/blind), which makes it needlessly difficult for rogue to do rogue stuff when they can just get a mage. There are also no classes currently with good enough cleave and utility to help DH do DH stuff (like mana burn, cleave damage); DH is crippled by slows and roots- which the three best classes in the game have high-powered, spammable versions of.

DH is great but not in this meta (DH kinda just sucks when frost mage and/or rogue is this strong with no counters to help DH out) and nerfing their kit would put them in the enh/affli/mm bin. Pls do not do, I like my DH.

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It’s burst duration paired with the Demonic talent is a stupid design. I see DH’s in Meta more than out of it. I don’t even care about that part, though. I just don’t like the brainlessness behind Havoc now. I mean the spec circles around using Eye Beam and then using hitting attack or defend until Eye Beam is back up. The spec functionality is similar to WW right now, meaning it is good for throwing out constant drool-mouth AoE damage but literally nothing else. Eye Beam being put on a 30-second cooldown and the other abilities being nerfed gives DH’s little choice but to spec into the talents that supplement Eye Beam, because the only other option to run a single-target chaos strike supplement build, which appears to be hot garbage by the looks of it. Because of this, anyone that plays Havoc is getting carried by the mechanics. It is really the BFA design in play. A stupid one.

As for the complaints about DK by other people in this thread, Unholy is the meta spec. As a spokesperson for dedicated Frost Death Knights, I can assure you that we have no affiliation with Unholy Death Knights. I do somewhat sympathize with Sir Ravenborn’s points about Unholy. That is the go-to spec for typical Death Knight since Frost mainly involves meandering about, breathing on people with bad breath and shanking them toothpicks.

A DK crying about a DH, let’s do this I will trade you my eye beam for you chains of Ice 70% snare for 6 secs?.everytime I have a rune available please ask Blizzard for that and I will gladly trade it.

Please do not trade our Eye Beam. I will gladly trade Throw Glaive for Chains of Ice :sunglasses:

Ok let’s do it hahaha

Your complaint is not only directed to Demon Hunters. The exact same could be said for Frost DKs as well. When outside of Breath, you do absolute horrid damage, and when you have it, that’s where the majority of your damage is tied to, so you absolutely cannot choose any other talent if you want to be somewhat competitive in a PvE scenario. That’s it, you either go for this talent or you don’t do damage and we don’t do enough damage outside of Meta either.

DHs Meta mechanic is almost like a vulnerability window. It’s a “empowered” window if you will. The difference between them is that instead of debuffing our target, we buff ourselves. Our spells still do the exact same thing, they just have fancier names and do more damage.

Also, yeah, if played right we can stay in Meta for over 50% of the fight.

DH’s are good one versus one with the opposition having little to no healing. Which cant think of a class right now that has no healing. DH’s have to burst through the heals, which if you trinket out of the stun…we’ll end up just forfeiting. But put us with a partner that can stun, sheep, mortal strike, we are pretty good.

Arms warrior has no baseline healing.

i thought dh was only 2 buttons?

how can they have a long list of abilities if they only use 2 buttons?

in a 1v1 scenario you might have a point (even then anything with a snare or root nullifies the DH) but DHs arent anything too special in arena. As someone already pointed out we dont really pair too well with most classes bar the mongo run it down mid types (dh/boomy isnt a thing any more).

I think from a developer standpoint it would be hard to nerf a DH they are literally a one spec class.
You can say “oH DK sUcKs iTs baSiCALly OnE SPeC ToO”

But you still have more than one dps spec is my point you can take the nerf hits because your class will have at least one decent spec
In a DKs at least in the last nerf.
Unholy got a nerf while frost got a buff (and multiple buffs before)

You nerf a DH and that’s GG
Besides they aren’t exactly OP to start with…