When you start a Mythic dungeon group
Have like 20 DPS in queue, all melee classes =/
Sometimes I have to wonder, do people know that if you're playing a class like Paladin/Warrior/Death Knight/Monk/Druid/Demon Hunter and you're playing as melee instead of tank, your odds to get chosen for an invite are incredibly low?
I only invite 1 melee per 5 man group, so take that into consideration. Range classes are highly desirable.
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Make hard cast spells do damage again.
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That's because leveling as a ranged char is absolutely awful this expansion. Incorporating an unpredictable interrupt, or knockback, stun, etc, into what feels like every rare or mob pull is frustrating.
It isn't fun, especially not as ranged.
Blizzard did that to themselves.
It isn't fun, especially not as ranged.
Blizzard did that to themselves.
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Idk what happened honestly. Melee DPS used to not be so common messages like "No more mages" or "No more Hunters" used to be common place, now it's "no more Warriors" "No more Rogues" Did they just dumb down ranged classes so they're no longer fun or something? Getting into a Mythic Group as a Warrior DPS has been kinda tricky. Seems like there's an abundance of us now.
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I picked mage as my first character to level in Legion. I'm not making that mistake again.
The classes may be balanced in other ways, but in terms of ease/speed of solo leveling, it's not even close.
The classes may be balanced in other ways, but in terms of ease/speed of solo leveling, it's not even close.
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Nobody wants to play caster because casters keep getting shafted by Blizzard. Warlocks in PvE and Frost Mages in general are the only real decent casters. Every other intellect-using DPS in the game feels horrible to play and leaves you vulnerable.
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As well as rogue...right rogue?
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I wanted to main elemental, but I found enhancement to be more effective in most situations.
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Okay, let me give you the "starter experience" breakdown:
This character took ~20 hours to hit level 40. For 18 of those hours the Frost rotation has been Frostbolt/Ice Lance x 5 on average, per mob, for every mob for every quest. Get into multiple adds and get ready to stop and eat if you survive.
At level 7 on a Warrior you already have: Charge, Slam, Victory Rush, Execute and mobs die in about 3 hits which is noticeably faster. Great damage, excellent sustain.
In fact: 1-10 on this guy and several different hunters about 1 hour 30 minutes. 1-10 on warrior 1 hour 5 minutes because stuff dies faster with less down time.
Not to mention melee animations tend to look cooler and feel impactful.
The difference is so bad this guy is now my permanent level 40 Forum character.
Now fast forward that to 110+ for players not in Mythic Antorus gear and go figure.
Plus which: Rogues get to bypass combat via stealth and everyone else can tank and/or heal leaving Warlocks, Hunters, Mages out in the cold.
This character took ~20 hours to hit level 40. For 18 of those hours the Frost rotation has been Frostbolt/Ice Lance x 5 on average, per mob, for every mob for every quest. Get into multiple adds and get ready to stop and eat if you survive.
At level 7 on a Warrior you already have: Charge, Slam, Victory Rush, Execute and mobs die in about 3 hits which is noticeably faster. Great damage, excellent sustain.
In fact: 1-10 on this guy and several different hunters about 1 hour 30 minutes. 1-10 on warrior 1 hour 5 minutes because stuff dies faster with less down time.
Not to mention melee animations tend to look cooler and feel impactful.
The difference is so bad this guy is now my permanent level 40 Forum character.
Now fast forward that to 110+ for players not in Mythic Antorus gear and go figure.
Plus which: Rogues get to bypass combat via stealth and everyone else can tank and/or heal leaving Warlocks, Hunters, Mages out in the cold.
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Staying boomkin and tree form for this expansion. Unless they change up bear form again.
hunter doesnt feel that great to play this expansion so far either. The devs could literally fix BM with just one change (remove barbed shot from the GCD) but we all know what the answer to that is gonna be. the devs wont do anything else to make the game more fun so why do something silly like fix the classes that feel like crap to play?
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All my mythic groups with 3 melee and 0 ranged go infintely smoother than any time ranged dps gets brought.
This could change with mythic+ but just what I've seen so far.
Everytime theres a mage in the group, they never buff, never give out food and sure as hell don't waste a precious GCD on time warp, always gotta use drums because the mages refuse to time warp.
I've gotten to the point where when I make a dungeon group I put in the description, mages will be automatically declined.
This could change with mythic+ but just what I've seen so far.
Everytime theres a mage in the group, they never buff, never give out food and sure as hell don't waste a precious GCD on time warp, always gotta use drums because the mages refuse to time warp.
I've gotten to the point where when I make a dungeon group I put in the description, mages will be automatically declined.
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There’s a lot more melee classes out there, really. Looking back, WotLK added a melee class, MoP added a melee class, Legion added a melee class & swapped a range spec to melee.
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08/25/2018 12:15 PMPosted by SkeeksEverytime theres a mage in the group, they never buff, never give out food and sure as hell don't waste a precious GCD on time warp, always gotta use drums because the mages refuse to time warp.
Bad players don't mean the class is bad.
Anyway, the problem is that they haven't added any new ranged specs since the game launched. Every new class and spec that has been added has been melee.
We actually lost one because Survival was changed into a melee spec.
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Yeah I can concur with some of the posters here, as ranged, the level of play you have to have, positioning, economy of movement, is crucial to success and a lot of players just dont want that kind of headache.
If you dont believe me, try being the only ranged in a mythic dungeon and notice how you have to move out of a swirly every other second, even on trash mobs,
In their efforts to put nuance and danger back into 5 mans, they have in advertantly shafted hard casting classes and it can grate on your nerves when your fellow melee just simply run back up to the boss or mobs and continuing facerolling.
My advice to remedy this, if it isnt already too late: I noticed there were rare instances where mobs would put "buff circles" on the ground. Add more of these, specifically for ranged, to make up for the amount of extra effort it takes for them to stay competitive.
If you dont believe me, try being the only ranged in a mythic dungeon and notice how you have to move out of a swirly every other second, even on trash mobs,
In their efforts to put nuance and danger back into 5 mans, they have in advertantly shafted hard casting classes and it can grate on your nerves when your fellow melee just simply run back up to the boss or mobs and continuing facerolling.
My advice to remedy this, if it isnt already too late: I noticed there were rare instances where mobs would put "buff circles" on the ground. Add more of these, specifically for ranged, to make up for the amount of extra effort it takes for them to stay competitive.
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For good reason. Its the easiest most faceroll role out there.
I mean I am not having fun at all as boomkin in world pve. A friggen boomkin, a class that used to be amazing in that regard. I basically try and kite and just get even more mobs on me as they are so tightly packed.
Eventually I caved and played a feral, one of the worst melee currently and I enjoy it more.
Legion was already hugely favorable towards melee, but BFA takes it even further down the road.
I mean I am not having fun at all as boomkin in world pve. A friggen boomkin, a class that used to be amazing in that regard. I basically try and kite and just get even more mobs on me as they are so tightly packed.
Eventually I caved and played a feral, one of the worst melee currently and I enjoy it more.
Legion was already hugely favorable towards melee, but BFA takes it even further down the road.
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I get to stand and cast while getting whaled on with a bonus possibility of being interrupted while using my 1 spell that does real damage.
I play melee all my stuff is instant. And I can handle incoming damage better.
Blizzard needs to rethink the whole caster thing.
I play melee all my stuff is instant. And I can handle incoming damage better.
Blizzard needs to rethink the whole caster thing.
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Perhaps it's because melee are miles and miles and miles ahead of casters in terms of damage and survivability. Their ease of use/play in open world is also in people's favor.
Casters? Get 2 mobs? You're gonna be almost dead. Spriests spam mend every mob they kill at 120 (so I been reading anyway), list goes on and on.
I'm struggling to really enjoy the expac, while melee is fun, my love is ranged play and none of the ranged classes actually feel very good at ALL. They're absurdly slow. They feel incredibly underpowered compared to melee (minus frost mage, that one actually feels pretty good and consistent with flurry procs)..
I've logged in and leveled a character here n there, tried every color, really stare longingly at my caster roster and then sigh as I click melee since it's far more relaxing to play something that doesn't require that much finesse/skill. Yeah I know I'll get melee hate for saying that, but if you're like me and actually PLAY a lot of melee AND casters/healers, you know it's true.
Melee also have a lot more favor in pvp as well, they are still mongo melee meta while casters must dance across the field and hope one of the melee don't fart or sneeze in their direction.
I wanna play shadow dps on my priest, I shouldn't be forced to level as disc.. something I have zero interest in playing.
I want to play feral, but I shouldn't be forced to bear tank my way to getting loot because people think it's funny to boot ferals from even normal dungeons.
List goes on and on and on.
Casters? Get 2 mobs? You're gonna be almost dead. Spriests spam mend every mob they kill at 120 (so I been reading anyway), list goes on and on.
I'm struggling to really enjoy the expac, while melee is fun, my love is ranged play and none of the ranged classes actually feel very good at ALL. They're absurdly slow. They feel incredibly underpowered compared to melee (minus frost mage, that one actually feels pretty good and consistent with flurry procs)..
I've logged in and leveled a character here n there, tried every color, really stare longingly at my caster roster and then sigh as I click melee since it's far more relaxing to play something that doesn't require that much finesse/skill. Yeah I know I'll get melee hate for saying that, but if you're like me and actually PLAY a lot of melee AND casters/healers, you know it's true.
Melee also have a lot more favor in pvp as well, they are still mongo melee meta while casters must dance across the field and hope one of the melee don't fart or sneeze in their direction.
I wanna play shadow dps on my priest, I shouldn't be forced to level as disc.. something I have zero interest in playing.
I want to play feral, but I shouldn't be forced to bear tank my way to getting loot because people think it's funny to boot ferals from even normal dungeons.
List goes on and on and on.
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Why not they have no GCD, instant everything, more mobility. Can't be interrupted. Typically higher armor. etc
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08/25/2018 12:15 PMPosted by SkeeksEverytime theres a mage in the group, they never buff, never give out food and sure as hell don't waste a precious GCD on time warp, always gotta use drums because the mages refuse to time warp.
You're making this up right? Unless you're talking about Legion, in which case there was no buff, and they were probably wearing the legendary ring which gives them a second time warp as long as someone else casts the first one. Oh and if you want food, try asking for it, I think in many cases its often assumed no one is interested in non-stat food.
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