I really don’t think they’ll come out with Cata Classic. Nobody would play it! Wrath was the swan song of the golden era.
For my take, there are trilogies.
You have Vanilla-TBC-Wrath. You have Cata-MoP-WoD. And you also have Leg-BFA-SL.
The EQsy people like the first trilogy. People who like to solo would like the third trilogy. So Cata-Mists-Warlords would be like a middling compromise. I speak as someone who never played an MMO before WoW, a soloist from the old school of video gaming. Speaking of Cata, there were hard dungeons and raids to do, the same deal given in Wrath before LFR first became a thing. You also have IoC which is still played TODAY as an EBG. AND Twin Peaks. AND Battle for Gilneas.
You can see the parallelism with what you’d be already doing today. But Dragginflight has no new BGs. And Dragginflight had screwed up so much in the way of class balancing! Don’t we know it that people may want to go back to the Cata itineration of their classes?
It wouldn’t be much different than everyone who left the dumpster fire that was BFA to go do Classic Vanilla.
I would hope that this would have nothing to do with just how powerful I would be as a Hunter in that rather than Dragginflight. Because boy howdy, I remember the times when Hunter was strong! The Leg-BFA-SL itinerations couldn’t really hold a candle. That’s what gets me stoked for it.
I won’t talk about specific classes but I highly doubt enough people want Cata Classic to make it worthwhile for Blizzard to manage.
Hunter was unique in one big way(and you still see it in the forums even today) that the biggest in-game scandal of all time had occurred: making SV a melee spec.
I would not be surprised that so many Hunters jumped into Classic just for that alone. And it’s still a problem today! This time I want to jump on the Classic bandwagon so to speak. After eating poo for three expansions straight, I want some REAL FOOD. I’m not eating poo for the fourth time.
So if you’re a Hunter main(just as an example), it’s a BIG deal to make the switch. Warriors? I’m guessing the Cata itineration was worse than in Wrath. I don’t remember it too well, but I will say that in Warlords, Prot spec was Gucci. Even if I was a “noob” of sorts back then, I couldn’t 1v1 a Prot.
Leg screwed that up too with putting many power CDs if not all on the GCD.
You can check Alliance yourself, if it doesn’t rankle your sensibilities to do so. I was surprised that no AOO was up for Alliance this week. That must mean it’s a really bad time for Horde right now. I can only imagine, because I play on the RP shards, which are always dominated by Alliance while also getting AOO and 20% bonuses. But this week the bonus is 10-15%.
Horde has had the better racials for PVP for a long time. Despite the constant cope that Alliance racials sim better, that never played out realistically on the leaderboards. Obviously the difference was never big enough if whole guilds are not swapping to Fireblood or Shadowmeld. Those are used for tournaments, where the contestants would go back to playing Horde after the competition.
Now that there is crossfaction grouping, maybe a lot of people don’t compelled to play Horde anymore because everyone else is. They can just group up with their friends now and can play the race they want. Maybe that’s for aesthetic purposes, maybe it is for racials. Hard to say at this point.
But crossfaction grouping and an expansion not focusing on the faction war shouldn’t make a meaningful dent in the Horde population doing PVP overall. Alliance at some points during this expac had AOO and a 20% buff, which means they were still being outnumbered.
It’s ebbed and flowed before, so it’s too early to tell if this is going to be the trend going forward. But who knows, maybe, maybe if Blizzard doesn’t stop trashing Alliance at every chance they get , maybe more people will play it. Maybe the Orc racial no longer being king will allow growth for people to play other races. Maybe things will balance out between the factions. That isn’t a bad thing.
I believe it, and I argued the reasons why I believe it. As soon as 8.1 launched, it was 25-30% for the Alliance ALMOST THE ENTIRE RIDE. AOO for Alliance GUARANTEED EVERY WEEK. Even that by itself didn’t balance the factions. The Horde kept on trucking, and that’s self-evident with the Alliance never really getting less than 25% after 8.1, or less than 20% during SL.
If Horde started getting 25-30% WM bonus and AOO, then that’s even WORSE. On paper right now, it looks like an even keel, right? But going from -10 to 0 is a magnitude of 10. It’s literally a warp, but I know that Chromie Time, Cross-Faction, lack of WPvP content, etc. has taken its toll. Now you just have more or less equally divided “factions” that just go along to get along. Hellooooo, Kitty!
That “true grit” of dominating in WPvP is just gone.
Well sure, but in the persuasion of War Mode going live for BFA I even got hooked on new racials. The dark iron dwarf had some of the Gucciest racials. Velves were good and nelves had Smeld which was excellent for WPvP. I thought that Alliance would have won the AR race early on. But then I remembered the ungrateful Alliance complained about Horde getting vulpera and they got “diaper gnomes”, boo boo bee boo. This came from a faction that actually got their OWN version of High Elf AND a cooler version of Dwarf.
And despite all this, the Horde were still outnumbering the Alliance. The new racials did nothing.
It already sounds like it to me that though it took a H-side nuclear apocalyptic event, the factions are closed to being balanced out. I guess it’s not a bad thing if you’re not really hardcore into WPvP, if it’s just a casual fling.
And I myself will take my place in Retail history…
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bruh, you think that’s bad you should come to the waking shores, the alliance is overpowering the horde like crazy due to the sparks of life weekly quest atm, it took me 3 days just to get to 84 sparks of life because the alliance is so heavy over in the waking shores
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From my guilds and my own perspective. We had been Horde since BFA and all through Shadowlands, however we noticed as time went on that alot of the Battleground maps had small, but very noticeable built in advantages for Alliance. So we spent the first week struggling to win a simple BG and said screw it and switched factions. After doing that found out that alot of players switched to Alliance from Horde after the first week of Dragonflight for the same reason. It got to the point that during some losses long time Alliance players complained about too many Horde switching over. Since you had a lot of instance PvPers switch factions, they ain’t going to be playing Horde in open world anymore just like my guild.
yeah ruin needs to honestly be taken down their antics are getting old
HAIL HYDRA!
When fairly high rated, and up, premade horde groups join random bg’s to destroy casual players with all the terriballistic oneshot mechanics that exist…it does make sence that those who enjoy a more casual approach to pvp goes somewhere else, I think.
Theres 2 new pvp wq’s every day, and those who wants anything pvp accomplished during their limited gametime might prefer actually completing those pvp wq’s. Just that feeling of actually completing something, instead of losing 4-5 ebg’s because the other side has premade rated teams on it, does hold value.
Just my thoughts anyways.
Back in TBC Retail when I got into Warlock PvP more, I remember how precious it felt when I got my marshal weapon set during S2. I treasured AV weekend back then in the Vindication BGroup. I can’t honestly say my/our win rate was anything higher than 25-30%. It made me feel more sentimentally proud, despite that I ended up getting a snarky “Eww, blues” remark from a gnome mage. And I was always singled out by Rogues then.
I remember saying, “Hey, I got my marshal weapons,” and there was one who said before BG start, “Hey, it sucks!” They couldn’t see it that a casual like I was grinded for those.
So it’s kind of a gray area in a way. When you learn how to take an L(and believe me, I smoked many an L in PvP then), you treasure the W’s you get and the rewards. The rewards can’t really be TOO easy to get: winning too much can and does get boring.
Enlistment bonus switches between both sides depending on time of day.
NECRO INC !
Ive been trying to get this question answered all day with hardly any replies. What server Can I go to that doesn’t have an overwhelming amount of alliance sharded to it?
Probably an RP server if you still wanted some competition.
If you wanted a “dead” server, you could try some of the odd servers like Akama, Firetree, Endre’Thalas, Gilneas, etc.
Pretty much the ones you never currently see out in War Mode lol
Emerald Dream is a good dead server group, where you wont have to worry about a fight often. If you do find a fight itll be a much smaller group.
Got phased there a couple nights ago, and only saw like one alli the entire time.
Im finding Bleeding hallow to be a tad bit better however still overwhelming.
thanks for to the dwarf family and night elf OP Racials. need nerfs
this is a super old post, but im noticing it in TWW too - why? its so stupid - bunch of nerd basement dweller alliance in giant packs all over every drop - no chance - lame asf plus theyll chase you across the map because they have a fragile ego
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It’s in a life support, pathetic state for sure. What’s worse is the only argument from braindead alliance players is “horde had it good for x years so its our turn”. Ok, bud.
Don’t see them doing anything about it. Unfortunately. Just a bloated mess that allows Alliance to reap a lot of rewards, achievements, etc. Horde get shafted. Same ol’ same ol’. All starts with loser content creators that preach “Shadowmeld is best racial for pvp” so so many who want a free ride roll the faction that’s gonna have it the easiest.
I’m glad they’re finally looking at racials. Alliance get shafted for PVE and Horde get shafted for PVP. Creates big disparities. Maybe it’ll balance by “The Last Titan”, but doubtful. One faction is always gonna dominate, and the other is gonna complain, Blizz isn’t gonna care, and the dominating faction is gonna be elitist failures that say “well you had it good last expansion so its our turn”. Stupid.