Now that havoc DH are one of the worst DPS spec in the game, not to mention a melee which is another strike… thankfully we bring 5% magic debuff to the raid - at least one token DH is needed,
Do you think we will get any sort of tuning upwards numbers wise after heroic & ahead of mythic reset after next week ?
Having a hard time not maining rogue this xpac all things considered.
No people will just bring in VDH as offtanks and forget about havocs.
Idk man. We’re simming low, but sims don’t often reflect the average raid. I’m sure some tuning will happen eventually, but unless your a CE raider, I’m sure you’ll be competitive with your guildies.
Don’t get me wrong, havoc needs a lot of fixing, but at this point, you need to love it for what it is or move on. Blizzard certainly has for now.
*Yes.
If the sims are remotely accurate there is a massive tuning disparity. That’s more okay in the end of expansion bonkers that was 8.3 than it is the beginning of an expansion. We will get tuning as will other classes and specs.
Yeah, the differences between the top and bottom DPS is ±30%, which is huge. Expect Havoc to get an overall 20-25% dps buff.
There definitely needs to be some tuning. Im ilvl 183 (leggo and almost full mythic gear) and I am getting outdpsed by other classes in low blues. FEELSBADMAN
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That’s a player issue.
No, its not. Its a tuning issue. Obviously not all classes are doing that simply from a gear perspective but there are some. Cant decide if you’re a troll or not.
For starters, dungeon sampling is not reliable whatsoever.
Your anecdote about your damage relative to others is not reliable.
You:
Sorry to be harsh man but coming to the forums and complaining because insert anecdote here is very rarely reasonable feedback.
I’ve run every mythic each of the last two weeks. In not one single run of those dungeons was I not highest overall damage. Does that mean DH’s are overpowered and need a nerf? No, it’s just my experience
Name-calling. Alrighty then.
No, but it informs your potential to get the most out of your class. You have not demonstrated to have that potential, so it’s not unreasonable to question if it’s more a player issue than a tuning issue.
You understand if I get 95% out of my class and somebody else gets 50%, I will do more damage than them.
You described your dungeon experience and I described mine. I’m not stroking my ego because I topped meters in m0 lmfao.
I’m not arguing that we don’t need tuning. All I said was if you’re getting beaten with your ilvl by people in blues, it’s a you issue.
Never hurts to try to better yourself as a player first and blame blizzard’s tuning second
Come in here all smug youre gonna get name called. Feel free to look up my logs, I consistently parsed 94% or higher on the content I was doing, the entire time I have been playing. So yes, my feedback is valid. I know how to play the game. Just because im not a mythic raider doesnt discount my input. K done with you.
I’m not being smug by telling you if you are in near-full mythic quality gear and you’re getting beaten by people in blues, there is room for improvement for you as a player. There is always room for improvement for any player. Have no idea why that triggered you so much, but alrighty. All the best!
Also. 94% heroic parses. Lol.
Yeah, that was a little smug. But in my defense, you referenced heroic parses
Heroic is what we do, so yes, it is what I said. What % of the wow population clear mythic raids ? Im sure you enjoyed watching your guild finally clear mythic from the bench. Gotta go do stuff now, enjoy trolling the forums and have a blessed day.
I look forward to mythic raiding this expansion, as I’ve primarily been a multi-glad/2.4k+ arena player in the rare seasons I could actually invest a minor amount of time into 
Shadowlands will be a great expansion for me in terms of mythic raid parsing and gladiator achievements as I have much more free time to commit
I hope you commit doing stuff to bettering yourself as a player. Good luck!
Don’t bother talking to him, hes literally on the forums trolling every chance. I don’t think he does anything else.
in pvp i was destroy by a warrior with 10k HP, me having 20k, hit me 3 or 4 hits while i was channeling eye beam on him =( and thats been our strongest attack =( DH needs tuning, not sure what data blizz got from the beta as end content. DH does need more tuning, in a little bit more dps and put back the 10% leach
Man is heroic really looked down on that much? I was proud of my purple parses in heroic 
Just out of curiosity, and because I’m bored at work, what in your opinion separates a good DH from a bad DH?
What is your covenant? If you have the hunt on him you shouldn’t lose. Only class that has given my DH problems is rogue…they just kill in opener. But rogues can kill most in opener anyway.
The other thing is warrior damage is much higher than bfa. Backing off during colossus smash or avatar will help.
Marksman Hunters killing me in stealth happens alot also.
Sorry to say this if you’re dying to a 10k hp warrior when you have 20k then you are doing something very very wrong. I crush all the warriors I come across, it’s one of the few classes that I steamroll every time.