Only looking at arcane of course, but SuperNova in the main tree! Cut rule of threes! Improved missiles is a single talent!
I’ll drink this stuff all day.
Ice Nova being a choice node with Ring of Frost made me mad.
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Also! Wait wait wait! Is this THE thing we’ve been screaming about for 2 major patches?!?! Is this the same as the 2-piece drop off issue we have now???
Continuing the discussion from The War Within Alpha Development Notes:
I’ve been calling for 30 seconds a long time, as others have, but the real issue is they balance out damage around it being up all the time. So what if it was just up all the time? Ie, get rid of it! It becomes forced game play (explosions outside combat), just to get to the baseline damage you are balanced against. Hitting buttons for the sake of hitting buttons, because when it drops off you lose a good piece of the damage profile. Also hate that in raid boss fights drop it off to start the fight, which often runs counter to coming in with lust, since you are lucky if by the end of the surge you’ve got 5 stacks. Just get rid of it.
They have to change that, its only a nerf to frost’s utility in m+ since they can no longer take ring of frost. Fire and arcane dont care.
It’ll still drop off at 30s.
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Very true.
Here’s also to one more Alpha update hoping they reconsider the whole Deathborne thing for Frost, especially Death’s Chill.
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Im happy to still have it when playing around with frost adn fire but i really enjoyed having it WITH DB as a pvper lol. I’m also a bit sad that arcane and fire lost access to ice nova lol.
was this bad or something? Or just a waste of space? lol
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It was something ok back when it came out, but it’s one of those carry overs from long ago that doesn’t make sense with where the game is at now.
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All I saw was:
One or two more tuning passes at its visuals and it won’t look like something Colonel Sanders would want to fry up anymore! 
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Yeah, I really don’t like this new idea they’re toying with merging abilities that have completely different functionality into the same choice node. That’s not the right way to cut down on the ability bloat.
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Yeah some of the combos don’t make much sense. Hopefully they’re just shuffling the pieces around and it’s more like “let’s just set this here for now until we find a better place for it.”
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I have a feeling that they just decided “lets make tree symmetrical” and to do that removed Mass Slow and merged Ice Nova into choice node with nearest talent, which just happened to be Ring of Frost. There is little to no logic in making choice node between talents that were always available simultaneously and had different use cases for Frost Mages both in Dragonflight and earlier expansions.
If they actually want to be logical and still keep the tree symmetrical, they should:
- Put Ring of Frost instead of 1 Frost Nova related talents below it that almost nobody ever uses or as a choice node with Mass Polymorph, which is pretty much Ring of Frost from different school and with different pros / cons
- Make Supernova 25-30s CD again and a choice node with either Quick Witted ( to pick between CD reduction for existing interrupt / CC and additional CC / disrupt like Shadow Priests can pick between shorter CD for Silence and Psychic Horror stun) or with Ice Nova (like it was in some earlier expansions)
These choices make the most sense while current choices just nerf Frost and Arcane utility for no reason or “to keep general tree symmetrically looking”.
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Those notes makes me thirsty too.
For ANY FROST CHANGES that makes sense.
Atm its sad how less changes frost gets. Only arcane and fire all day :<
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This change make no sense, this is si bad. Why not put Ring of Frost as choice node with Mass Poly.
Putting Supernova on the main tree as choice with DB is not good either imo. Reducing CC overall.
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There’s definitely something to that. You can see it in virtually all talent trees. It’s like they go out of their way sometimes to make the tree interface a nice shape, lol. As if that should ever be a serious consideration. You’d think these were being put together by newly minted web design students… oh wait. 
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So the really bad change of Ice Nova and Ring of Frost sharing a node will stay? I’ve not seen any comments from Blizzard regarding this.
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I honestly don’t even think it’s on their radar. They’ve done a lot of this consolidation for many other trees as well. If anything it seems like they think it’s a good idea. /shrug
I’m hoping they will revert this change and maybe replace one of the Frost Nova related talents with either Ring of Frost or Ice Nova instead since those are beyond useless.
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So other classes have suffered aswell… I did not know. I will check wowhead.
^^ this, I can’t believe they don’t see it. The only answer is: they don’t care… 