VRAM is kind of used like cores in CPUs to make comparisons, it’s part of the GPU but really should not be the sole way to judge the hardware as the RTX 4060 also lacks in cores, texture units, and a wide memory bus although Nvidia increased the L2 cache.
Both Nvidia & AMD put an end to the quality gaming GPUs people used to buy at $200-350.
It depends - on the one hand excess VRAM does nothing until you don’t have enough of it, then it’s incredibly important.
We’re at the point where 8gb is clearly not enough and should no longer be the standard for mainstream gaming GPUs
and if they want to push technologies like DLSS/RTX, which utilize even more VRAM, then it’s even more important to put enough on their cards.
Luckily it does seem Intel is trying to fill the gap on entry level gaming with the new battlemage lineup - they are looking to be just above 4060 level performance with much improved instruction sets that were lacking in their previous generation, as well as much higher frequencies- and 10/12gb VRAM buffers respectively for their price points.
if Intel can iron out the driver issues and give reliable performance, then the B580 may end up being this generations’ RX580
Nvidia has changed their line for mainstream GPUs. RTX4060 would have been a RTX XX50 in previous generations. Were cards like the RTX2060, RTX3060, RTX3060ti or RTX 3070 really great cards like those GTX XX60 & GTX XX70 of previous generations? We can hope the new generation fixes it but going by Nvidias stock price, I think Huang will remain on course.
I disagree with this - not because it’s untrue, but because it’s scummy.
If they want to give it mainstream range naming, then I’m going to give it mainstream range expectations.
Nvidia has shrinkflated their entire lineup, and this is not up for debate. The question is if the consumers should accept it.
I have Auspicious faith they will have better drivers at launch. They did a “decent” job improving their drivers after Arc launched and from the few people I know that own one, they seem to like them (I was surprised). From techspots 250 game review on the Arc this past summer.
Intel has no doubt improved from their original position of “probably don’t buy this GPU unless you want to deal with early adopter issues” to “this is a viable option if the value proposition is right.” Most games work just fine on Arc. If you mostly play popular multiplayer games, Arc is a very suitable choice. The range of features and included software is respectable. It’s just not the best there is at its current price. But will a new generation change that? There’s a chance.
Will battlemage start from a much better position with a more solid foundation? Absolutely, and that’s credit to the hard work Intel has put in to improve Arc with every update.
by no means am I defending them it’s 100% scummy and should not be accepted by the consumer. I’m merely stating how they see the current market place that lacks competition.
Interestingly enough the past few generations Intel has taken the position (even if they didn’t intend for it) in their CPU division of value - from as early as 10th gen through today, relative to AMD’s flagship X3D chips.
In recent years, 12th gen bundles have dominated value segments. They had none of the 10th gen weaknesses (PCIE3 limitation, low IPC, etc.), and “just worked”.
I know a few people who just jumped onto 12900KS parts that were on clearance during BF - and when you’re essentially getting a 13700K/9700X for $200, with all the same PCIE4/5 and DDR5 capability, is hard to pass up.
My wife has a 12900K build about a year ago from Microcenter’s $399 3-hit-combo and it’s performing excellently. It is by no means flagship levels of performance anymore, but it’s not competing with the 7800X3D/9800X3D, it’s competing with the 9600X in pricing and defeating it easily on almost all fronts.
Combined with these new midrange GPUs, we can expect some epic value combinations from intel.
It’s too bad they gave up on the performance crown in all segments, though.
as over priced and under performing the Intel Ultra line is…the Ultra 5 245k was doing 152 avg FPS and 110 fps low 1% with the RTX4090 in a 14 game test suite for techspot. The 5800X3D did about 8% better in the same suite. Both CPUs were game specific but regardless if I stick them with something along the line of the RX 6800 or RTX 3070ti (which many people will), that difference will really drop between the two. Now for $300 the Ultra 5 is a waste of money but if I swap out one with the other with a mid range card like the RX 6800 will anyone notice without running a benchmark tool? Highly unlikely. Is intel behind? 100%. Are they out for the count? No, the Ultra line is over priced and under performing but it’s not bulldozer/piledriver bad and look how AMD responded. We are also starting to see leaks on the Ultra line fiasco and as one article put it "Even though Intel’s core businesses are still profitable on their own, revenues have declined — two former employees also suggest Intel spent too much on preparing its future foundry business while cutting costs on the products it shipped in the meanwhile. In particular, one claims that Intel’s Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake CPUs were supposed to have a special “Adamantine” cache that could have helped them beat the competition: “It would have been significantly more competitive to the point it would kick Zen 5’s a$$, but was cut for cost reasons.”
So unless we want CPUs to go the way of GPUs right now (sand bag performance and raised prices) lets hope Intel get their act together but they are not completely off the rails (yet).
in the mean time we’ll see if the ultra parts hit the bargain bin quickly
I wouldn’t upgrade anything right now. Wait till the 5000 series launches. Either get one of those, or there will be a much better chance of getting a 4000 series cheap.
It will be interesting to see if Intel manages to revive that market with cards like the B580.
Yep, even though I personally would never use one of those because they are entry level…a lot of people would, and Intel is launching that into a market with no competition. If nothing else, it will force AMD and Nvidia to lower the price of their entry level GPU’s or just cede that market to Intel.
I’m not sure if Intel will force Nvidia to lower prices, but if it means we have AMD and Intel competing for low end that’s good for that market.
But yeah, I probably won’t buy one as I have a 4080, and plan to hold that until the 6090 comes out.
I have a 3080ti, I’m waiting on the 9950X3D and 5080 to do any upgrades.
I would still be on a 3080, but it caught an unfortunate case of fire from the power supply.
so the Intel Arc B580 came out and looks like a real winner at its $250 price point. @ 1080p its about 20-25% better than the RTX 2070s and handles RT better. The card shines more for its price at 1440p where the extra RAM lets it pull even further away from competition. Team it up with a 5700X3D and you would have constant 60 FPS on your current monitor and close to it at 1440p if you decided to go with a new monitor. Drivers have been pretty good, not great, but good with version 101.6319 about to be released (still in Beta as of today but you can download it).
so many questions,
the card caught fire or the PSU?
which PSU?
did the cable melt? plugged in fully at the PCB header and gpu connector?
Power supply died, when a new one was connected to the GPU and the system was turned on, GPU started smoking.
that should not happen
Agreed. But the end result of it was an unplanned upgrade to a 4080.