And those are where the bulk of bricked keys are farmed. Circling back to your original post, you don’t even have to say anything most of the time and they will leave if one accident happens and the key is still timeable.
Many of those servers house the most insufferable and unhappy people I’ve ever seen play videogames. I just started up again last month and I luckily still have 3 people from my old key group to play with, but since we have to pug 1 spot, it can be tricky to navigate the waters of said servers.
Our group has the vibe check, when they join and we say hello, yo etc, they have about 1 minute to respond with literally anything, otherwise we just assume they’re too self absorbed to communicate and replace them. 9/10 times when they never responded it was an early key ditcher even when they were doing the wiping.
I’ve got friends I play with that literally call themselves trash when they get clipped by something or end up chatting away apologizing for being bad. Pugging has broken them so bad they become instantly defeated upon a single mistake and it just spirals after the first one.
I’ll brick keys all day long if everyone is having fun improving, but man do I feel for full pug players due to so many people just sucking all the joy out of something that should be a little serious, but still fun at the end of the day.
Honestly if you want to time M20+ it all comes down to the players in your group, the higher you go than depends more on the class and spec alongside the player.
I seen a reddit post earlier where a group had 50 wipes on a HoV6, which any good player can solo on a tank spec and any great player could probably solo on a DPS spec, but it happens because some players are garbage.
The higher your key the more chance you have to fail with pugs and the more need to find premade groups.
Actually this is so true. They are the first ones to get frustrated when anything goes wrong (or even if nothing bad has truly happened but they think you’re not playing well).
I remember getting called an idiot last expansion by some DH because I held my Counterspell assuming that anyone with a shorter CD kick was going to get it (it was one mob with two critical kicks in De Other Side). This guy had a full meltdown, flaming me one word at a time, and he also got mad at me for playing arcane when fire was meta.
We cleared the dungeon and I was top overall damage. He linked this and somehow flamed me some more and instantly dropped group. Then as we put the next key up, he joined again and just didn’t acknowledge anyone. So I had him kicked, because nah son you not disrespecting me and expecting me to want you around just to play WoW.
I will say that these players are generally very predictable, so it’s usually pretty easy to avoid any sort of confrontation with them, especially with your strategy. And my experience has not been so bad that I avoid pugging entirely. Still, I do very few keys overall - I think over half of my keys are HoV +2s, and I really just want to finish +20 TJS (which was bugged earlier this week, so free key fail lol) and call it. I am just at a stage of life where that sort of behavior is really not something I feel I should ever have to put up with, so I won’t.
17’s with pugs are more difficult than 20’s right now. Geared players are running 16’s for infusions or 20’s for vault. The levels in between are filled with undergeared players, alts, or people that shouldn’t be doing keys above 16. It sucks, but it’s late in the season.
Good for you, I personally would not have invited you. That shows the importance of making your own groups. I am inclined to ask though: Were you holding your own, or were you carried? Because I assume at COS+21 most of your applicants were 415+… and you were i400.
I’ve made self-imposed rules for grouping, particularly when it comes to servers/players of a specific class or spec on that server specifically to try and fight this. A modest example: If you’re a ret paladin on Area 52 we are not playing together. That’s just how it is for me. You could be the coolest guy/girl/them in the universe, but we are not playing together in M+.
I have to look out for me, my play time, and my progression… If that means no X spec from Y server - so be it.
Idk man, playing healer you have a lot different opinion when Inferno is popping people to 40% + DoT + grievous, nobody’s using a defensive, and oh look flame dance killed people. Oh, first boss shield is up? GOTTA AOE BIG NUMBERS PAD PAD PAD! We wiped due to the aoe damage? NOOB HEALER LOL. Or people just torpedoing themselves on the second boss boulder… Or tanks with the ‘gotta-go-fast’ mentality pulling 3-4 packs of the mobs before last boss just getting everyone stormed into the dirt…
that’s not what I’m looking for in a 5man. first off, ‘timing’ it doesnt matter to me, same reward in the vault. Secondly, that level of effort is more of a raid territory, I’m happy with an in-and-out +18.
That is about 40% true. A good group is always needed, but you can carry. I did a 22 nokhud and then a 23 court of stars after and I was able to carry my weaker team mates given it was a pug and we timed both of them. They weren’t bad but I covered their mistakes. Everyone in every single key should be carrying everyone else. You are what decides a timed key, not your team mates.
That’s good. But if they weren’t bad, it wasn’t what I’m calling a carry. What I am calling a carry is the average players you will see in a 17 right now (decidedly not a 22 or 23). The ones who will somehow do 25k dps at 412 item level, interrupt nothing, stand in everything, and blame the healer.
A carry is called that because the other players are literally so bad that you have to lift up their dead weight bodies and carry them to the finish line. I wouldn’t really call anyone doing 22s with their time that. 17s though, it is just unbelievable. And not that I am trying to shame them, it is just a really crappy experience to be in that bracket (which used to be the 11-14 bracket when 15 was the max vault).
Fair enough I think I misunderstood. Yes, sometimes those players do land in those keys. I had a 2600 resto Druid join some poor guys key I was in and the Druid did 0 healing, everyone just died on the first pull. You see some funny stuff in the pug life lol.
Hey now! I did 114K overall this morning in a 16 AA (lol AA) at 410 equipped. Nobody ever expects the 2300 random DK to go ultra sweat mode at 3AM while farming crafting mats. I had to step away from the keyboard to take a breather.
I finished all my 20s! I still have Tyrannicals from 2nd week of the season though, because my PC died for a good portion of it all. I might try some Tyrannicals. I feel I have not done nearly enough high level keys though.
ilvl is about what you stated but I did the same overall damage as the other dps, infact I was 2nd in DPS meters + I spam tons of support abilities with Hands, Offheal, etc. when needed so no carry obv.
