To people who wanted lotus changed

EDIT: I wasn’t aware how badly and how many low/medium pop servers blizzard had screwed over by mismanaging transfers when I wrote this, to those of you who were unwillingly forced into a mega server situation I apologize this does not apply to you, and I think blizzard should be ashamed of themselves for allowing unmitigated transfers to your servers.

Anyway, I’ll leave the original, I still agree with it for those who willingly choose to play on mega servers and complain


Why didn’t you roll on a low/medium pop server?

Why did so many people CHOOSE to roll on megaservers, then proceed to CHOOSE to complain about the mega prices.

If people had common sense to begin with they would realize that by signing up for a mega server, mega prices is EXACTLY what they asked for.

There are many, many non competitive low/medium pop Classic servers where these “problems” do not exist, but players refuse to accept this solution and would prefer the game be blunted to suit their level of gameplay.

For the players who are apparently so fed up with mega servers and the price of things the perfect solution would have been to transfer to a smaller pop server where these “problems” are not an issue.

The real problem here is people want to play on the biggest server with the most hype, then turn around and complain about problems that occur naturally in any scenario which has an over crowded environment.

The solution was never to “fix” lotus spawns, the players who don’t like mega servers should be the solution to their own problem and go play on a server that suits their particular play style.

Mega servers are “hardcore” servers and should reflect hardcore prices.

If this concept is alien to you and you just want to be a Sunday Sally who finds lotus on her 30 min lap of epl before she takes the kids to soccer practice maybe you should have had some foresight and not rolled on a mega (hardcore) server.

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I think this may be an issue of a very tiny fraction of players who complain getting their way, and will result in alienating the majority of us who actually do prefer large populations.

the most astounding thing is barely anyone was complaining about black lotus prices but literally everyone has been complaining about the bots

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What bots?

I’m not saying they almost don’t exist at all, but I am asking, “How can I verify that they do, such that I could do an independent study to support your claim?”

Simple entitlement and self-righteous psuedo-intellectualism. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Is this a reply to me?

So blame the people for playing on a big server rather than the bad design around black lotus??

We all see how long this design evens lasts because it was changed in TBC with Fel lotus.

Vanilla servers on average had around 2,000 players, these servers have 10k+ players, and you think it’s ok to have the same rates on lotus when the servers are 5x the size? I’m sure when blizzard made the system the way it was in Vanilla it was because they had a targeted server size that is 5x smaller than current Classic.

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your wording is intended to be confusing. what i gather from your wording is “how do we know they are botting” and its impossible to know. there is no debate on the issue that determining who is botting and who isnt will be difficult. its clear however that botting is a major problem. whitemane players are facing the biggest botting problem out of all the servers and its so much of a problem that one could argue that the bots are congesting the servers and causing unnecessary que times for legitimate players.

as for how one would determine who was botting and who wasnt, it would require an individual to observe the patterns of gameplay from a character and once botting is evident ban their ip address

This.

I ENJOY the mega servers, and the problems that go along with it.

Different strokes for different folks right?

Some people prefer to play on literal dead servers so they can have everything to them self, others prefer the mega server appeal, which includes the “problems” that go along with it.

The fact so many people think it’s within their right to destroy mega servers simply because they don’t like it when low/medium/high pop realms are all available makes me sick.

It’s almost like these people don’t see the low/medium pop servers as a viable alternative at all, instead they DEMAND they be able to play on the Asmongold server, and then later on they DEMAND that the Asmon server gets wimped so they can compete

It’s actually insanity that not a single Black Lotus complainer saw low/medium pop servers as a solution to their problem.

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Or how about blame the people who complain for not using the tooling that is offered to them for resolving their own problems (that they themselves have created).

Not everyone agrees! I certainly don’t. I prefer large servers. I don’t want to force my opinion on others - why do others seem to want to force their opinion on me? Is it because I don’t quit? Maybe I should quit.

this is completely insane, nobody does this or thinks this

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No one is forcing their opinion on you, well atleast I’m not.

You can live behind whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

I would guess if blizzard thought it was wrong they would just change it regardless of your opinion on the situation…oh wait they did…

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Why is a rare item being rare bad design?

I do, and I would argue that the vast majority of us on larger servers do. It isn’t insane.

But, perhaps you have some evidence to support your “radical” claim?

Don’t like it?

Don’t roll on a mega server.

How did this point completely go over your head?

Did you even read my opening statement?

LOW/MEDIUM POP REALMS WITH AUTHENTIC POPULATIONS EXIST, DOZENS OF THEM, IF THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT THEN GO PLAY ON THE SERVERS THAT HAVE AN AUTHENTIC POPULATION!

You are the sole cause of your own problems and could be to solution to your problems, but you are blinded because your ego says you MUST be on the big server with everyone else.

Poor guy cant hoard black lotus anymore. Go get a job.

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It’s not. The way it was created tho it was made for VANILLA servers. Which are 5x less populated than classic.

So wouldn’t you think a game design for a server that holds 5x less population is faulty when you implement it on a server that’s 5x as big?

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you support the idea that “people hate the fact that there are servers with high population”? because thats arguably insane. thats like getting mad at gophers because you dropped your phone

Lol what? I started on incendius and it was low/medium pop until 5,000 xfers came over and ruined it… how is that my fault?

Also you don’t address lotus mafia, botting, level 1 snipers, and purely call that “hardcore”

You spent your entire classic career getting lotus, you sat on 500, and now it’s worth 50% if that.

The servers are 6x bigger than they were in vanilla, we should have 6x the spawns. Makes sense…

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Is that a bad design regarding Black Lotus or a bad design regarding server population?