Or let pathfinder from the newest expansion say part 1 open flying for older content.
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Its both. Many people are returning recently and are assuming the grind is a long event.
I think they focus too much on “once i get flying itll be worth it” and turn it into a grind.
They set themselves up for stress not realizing itll come easy, just play through a few.
Heck i did the same thing at first when i came back late August. But its not as bad as you think, and that was without the anniversary and next weeks darkmoon rep bonuses.
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Arbitrary and spiteful would be “no flying at all”.
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Who says they don’t have it? I have every pathfinder including the current, I still find it to be stupid decision and implementation.
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It is a very daunting list when you start from scratch. Most of it can be completed with a few days of casual play but the reps. The reps are the absolute worst part of it.
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They tried no flying at all. Players forced Blizzard’s hand on the issue and they had no choice but to keep flying. Pathfinder (especially the time gate) is the punishment to the players that like flying.
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Attitude is everything. Try not to think of it as punishment, but delayed satisfaction. 
Blizz: Hey, lets implement this flying thing! I bet the players would really like it!
Players: OMG FLYING ROCKS THX BLIZZ!
Blizz: How dare they like this feature so much! Lets add so many roadblocks to doing this feature they love so much that the players feel the need to complain a lot of the forums about it!
Players: WTH Blizz?
Blizz: Don’t worry, this is “compromising”. We could have just taken this beloved feature away ya know.
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I just can’t do that. I just can’t get over the fact something like flying is being held back until an arbitrary amount of time has passed. I seriously can’t wrap my head around Blizzard’s reasoning with this one.
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Its easy, they want all the zones in game first.
Now should pf1 open first zone flight and pf2 open later zone flight? I think we could all say yes.
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Pretty sure the biggest complaint with Pathfinder is the year-long gate. Not the rep grind.
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Yup I fully agree with that. The fact that there’s the biggest time gate in the game between part 1 and 2 just makes it feel spiteful. Even if it’s truly not spite on the devs part the time gate gives it that perception.
For returning players like me, the rep grind is totally part of it. I don’t have a single pathfinder right now. You combine all the repgates from Wod, Legion, and BFA and it’s enough to make me want to send 50 bazzilion Goblin nukes on the very concept of World Quests. It really requires a lot of work for content that isn’t relevant anymore, and if you only play casually, it becomes a choice of doing either old content, or new content. If you hardcore play, then it’s not so bad… but for casual people like me? You might as well have put up a massive wall that can take months to overcome.
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And here you are steady paying these developers with your time and money each month. I couldn’t imagine giving my time and month to a company that I felt is acting so childish.
Shame on you for condoning such behavior.
I don’t like Pathfinder because I’m stuck sitting on the ground for 8-12 months before I can finally. Before, it was just “hit max level and pay some gold”.
It’s at time-gate of the worst kind because it literally cannot be obtained by any means at expansion launch until they introduce new patches that release part 2.
Then add in Legion where the final zones removed the usefulness of flying (because there was no flying) and maybe you can understand why I’m annoyed at it.
I thought I addressed this in another post. I’ll be glad to tell you again since you seem to have forgotten within an hours time.
I’m here because flying is here. I like most things about this game except pathfinder (well the time gate really). I know it’s difficult to understand but you can like a product overall and still have issues with certain aspects of it.
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Wow, victim complex much?
I highly, highly doubt that the Pathfinder devs, while creating Pathfinder, sat around twirling their long, black mustaches, saying something like, “Mwuh huh hah ha haa! We’ll teach those silly players who want flying!”
The devs didn’t want flying, because they wanted their work experienced a certain way. That’s understandable. The players wanted flying, because they wanted to experience the devs work a different way. That’s understandable.
Pathfinder is how you get both. It’s not a punishment.
I’m a casual.
Starts a new thread, rather than posting in one of many existing ones. Oversimplifies the issues players have with the pathfinder ‘system’. Exaggerates the amount of indoor content.
Finally, like many other posters in this thread, misunderstands that pathfinder was a punishment…a punitive measurement put in place by a certain development lead to chastise players for DARING to demand fight when he wanted to take it from us altogether.
He and other developers found themselves in the hot seat when the tremendous amount of public outrage became news even outside the game’s websites and forums, and subscription numbers began to plummet. Forced to re-implement the flight feature, they decided we had to suffer for their embarrassment.
So now, we have to earn fairly high reputation levels with virtually every new faction of each released expansion (something never before required for an innocuous feature), complete nearly all quest chains in every zone…and then best of all, wait for over a year for pathfinder part two to be released three (or more) patches later, which further requires even more reputation gains and achievements.
Posters can disdainfully shrug off these requirements if they like…but the real point in all of this is we are still being punished for wanting the freedom of flight, and gleefully paying for the privilege. We shouldn’t be happy with the contempt they are showing us.
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Then what is the purpose of the time gate? We experience all their content their way from the ground by doing PF1. So why the time gate on flying?