To help with populations at launch

Not sure why you thought that would be a dig at nochangers? If you want to get all vanilla-like, a box cost would be applicable.

How about rather than early access, the first few days of release require a box cost, and after that period then those who want to avoid the box cost can begin play.

Aside from those not having to pay a box cost a few days after release, it would be quite vanilla like.

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I have. I have also pointed there are such things as time zones, the fact people have real lives and everyone will not be logging at the same time which pro sharding folks seem to not want to acknowledge

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…Has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

I feel dumber for having read your post and then this followup. What do you see your role as in this thread?

Just to falsely whine “pay to win” and then fail to show how it is so?

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The entire gaming industry is on fire over MTX, shady gating, and milking customers and you guys are asking for the exact same thing.
This is literally why the industry is where it’s at right now.
People willing to pay for that leg up. Whether its a headstart, level boost, currency, power up, or even those oh so cool looking cosmetics. “That don’t hurt anyone”.

Time is of the essence in classic. A head start of even a few days can be the difference between corning a market or even missing a gankfest while leveling because you beat the gankers to 60.

You don’t get much more p2w than that unless you’re buying gold, ranking, gearing, or leveling services.

It still isn’t going to stagger much because yes indeed this would be popular and blizz the greedy corp it is would make boat loads of cash. Edit to add: They aren’t trying to milk the player base with the combined sub though. Yup. It pads live’s subs
The servers would be clogged still and they would probably use sharding anyways.
So you guys just let them reel in more than they intended and fixed nothing. GG.

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If it’s not worth it to someone to pay for the headstart, then that’s up to them. Choices are good.

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How much should the headstart cost? How long should it be? Who gets to decide that, Blizzard? The same Blizzard you don’t trust on just about anything, including using sharding in a limited fashion?

Let’s have a month long, $500 headstart. That’s not paying for an advantage, according to you, so let’s go for it.

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Running to Dun morogh might be the best idea for that, historically dwarves are the least played race in the alliance so their starting zone will be comparatively empty. It also gives you good options to spread out into westfall and the rest of the EK if things haven’t settled down.

Nailed it, and it really surprises me that people are heavily in favor of Pay to win features like buying gold from blizzard, or any of that other stuff. I see it from time to time in the forum and it makes me sick because that was never the original Vanilla experience at any time ever.

Sure some people got on the cheap china gold site, but that was 100% against the rules and you would have gotten banned for it if blizzard found out.

And you’re 100% right about Classic padding the sub numbers for Modern WoW; right now I think they are in absolute damage control attempting anything to salvage BFA a failed experiment.

My issue with BFA is the same as my issue with Legion or any other version that came out since Wrath…

99% of the game play takes place inside the PVE or PVP instances, and the world is kinda pointless after max level… That right there is just bad game design, and I heard cataclysm was worse than wrath, and I heard WoD was worse than cata and legion was worse than wod and BFA is obviously worse than legion regarding this.

What is the point of a role playing game if there is no one to play with; or they are all inside some sort of personal bubble or instance where almost nothing else matters.

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Except in a game like classic that choice is going to lead to a lot of players taking the headstart route.
I’m against it and I’d buy it because that head start could be the difference in a lot of things.

I am also against early access because it’s the kinda BS that never existed in the original game experience.

I am instead 100% for and in favor of the mad house that is an over populated starting area where players are actually forced to work together in order to progress rather than collect hand out easy mode due to them all getting their isolated little bubble to play in with the sharding garbage.

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Agreed.
In between all of the blizz is burning, blizz is greedy, and how blizz is milking the player base posts are gems like this thread asking to be milked. LOL
When blizz already decided the pricing model.
Which seems like they are trying to give back to the wow playerbase.
Sure it pads retails numbers but who wasn’t expecting that?

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You realize someone who pays a sub week earlier, and plays a week earlier is exactly the same as someone paying for a head start, right? It’s simply a matter of perspective and some people are just being stubborn about the issue. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Get Classic for free, get to play when everyone plays, get to have the server sharded so they have less competition. It’s the worst kind of entitlement.

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If you mention us paying for something to come out early Blizzard will hear “pay” and dive all over it.

That’s the hope. If the higher-ups Activision sees the more diehard Classic fans are willing to pay for early access, then sharding is unnecessary (well, it’s unnecessary anyway) and we get an authentic Vanilla experience, and not the community-destroying one.

I paid a box cost for vanilla and (as long as they do it justice) would pay one for vanilla. Tne only difference would be that those who don’t want to pay a box cost would start a day or two later.

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what happens when everyone pays for early access, the only way to discourage would be to label it “early access” and not tie it to a CE, which is what they probably would end up doing if they went that way at all.

Uh, dwarves share the zone with gnomes. Did you even play vanilla?

Silly Gnocci, no one plays gnomes

edit-- wait what did he say? Dwarves were the least played? That cannot be right, fear ward alone.

I see where you’re going with that and I do agree with the concept, but this is more a matter of principle than anything.

Early access is just a bad idea because it sets an established patter for Activision to Exploit.

We all absolutely must remember this is not Blizzard we’re dealing with any more, this is Activision now. Blizzard no longer exists; they are just a front for Activsion products at this point.

This is KEY to preserving World of WarCraft; if we are so foolish to allow them to change a single part of the experience no matter how small they will take Carte blanche and make unilateral changes we never wanted.

Over a year ago we all made posts for and against allowing changes. I am strongly against them no matter how small because I do not trust Activsion to do the right thing at any point.

Heck I do not trust AAA game companies at all to make the right choice now days because they have displayed on gross with out any exception that I am aware of they are incapable of making ethical choices in the market place.

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