Yes and no…in a PuG scenario (in a Dungeon), some people can make a run difficult, if they’re not doing their job, right.
Again:
You don’t need to be in a Group to enter a Dungeon nor Raid.
I have a 29 and play it. It goes against premades 80-90% of the time.
none of those options are what is needed to solve the problem. You want to promote grouping. I am for random solo.
the dungeon or raid does not provide you with a random group when you enter it. solo que does. its apples and oranges.
Correct however the game will not form a group for you for dungeons or raids.
It will for BG’s.
While this is true, the difficulty of your opponents is static. So in that regard matching premades with other premades and pugs with other pugs would keep the difficulty of your opponents in BG’s relatively the same match over match.
Expecting to be rewarded for solo play is a modern and a retail mindset. This game is neither of those things.
Nothing about the premade situation is new or unexpected. Even the complaints on the forums are true to the Vanilla experience.
Unfortunately, every one playing Classic signed up for exactly this. If that is surprising to you, then perhaps you’re finally realizing that "you thought you did, but you really didn’t. "
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Thats not what im saying, what I am saying however is that if you are queue-ing solo, are unable to find friends, or make a premade of your own and want to complain about losing, you’re bad.
Retail mindset in action
Only doing something because of the reward
Some of us actually just have 30mins and wanna pewpew without having to run against people who play this game like it’s the job they’ll never have
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You are not playing solo. You que up as solo and get a team upon entry. Its a random group.
This is far from the vanilla experience.
No, we signed up for the vanilla experience classic was supposed to provide, instead we got layering, discord groups, and exponentially more sweaty mouthbreathers.
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What I’m trying to say is that by making a premade because the only way to win is premades, you’re part of the problem
If you think you can define yourself in any way better than me because I choose not to sweat then you’re not just bad but also stupid
No one is saying they are better than you, insecure much?
I think that’s kind of the problem. BGs are not soloable. It’s a Team based environment.
Again, it’s auto-forming a Team, for you. You’re still not soloing a BG. The same way the Standard’s game does with it’s LFD system.
I see no difference between BGs and PvP Servers. Other than BGs having level brackets. Nothing is stopping a large group of people (“pre-made”) roflstomping Soloers, out in the open world.
We’re not complaining about losing, we’re complaining about premades being matched against pugs.
While losing is almost certainly the result of that the complaint is not about losing.
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The difference is pvp servers were never designed to be fair. BG’s on the other hand specifically were designed to create controlled fair matches.
Hence why they enforce things like even numbers on teams, level ranges on teams etc… premades matching against other premades is just an extension onto that.
Unfortunately, this might not be the game for you then. Vanilla has always rewarded those who put in more time.
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Ya, thats why I said you get a team upon entry… YOU GET A TEAM. The difference is you get a random team. It would be fair to go against another random team. Not to go against a premade team.
My observation is basically this. It’s the reverse of how it was in Vanilla. Back then, raiding was hardcore and PvP was more casual. Now it seems to be the opposite.
Then make a premade 5head
Dude I literally said it wasn’t about the reward but the fun of pvp, and your response to me is “vanilla has always rewarded players who put in more time”
Stop projecting the fact that without rewards you wouldn’t queue for bgs, and realize that some people just want to have fun
Depends on the server, I remember tons of premades back in actual vanilla.