Season 1 was a mess so I mained my monk. Coming off that high in S4 Dragon Flight, I thought Holy was really starting to turn over a new leaf. But TWW has been very punishing especially in M+ for Holy priest.
Enter season 2. This is a better position than we have been in this expansion so far but it is still a long way from being competitive in M+. At least I do not get declined all the time like I did in S1. A little bit of tuning and Holy could be mid tier instead of complete bottom of the barrel.
The talent refresh feels like it brought just as much pain as it did pleasure. It’s like cutting 1 hand off to fix another. But at least we finally have change after such horrid stagnation.
I am tired of waiting for these useless Devs to unscrew Holy. All the inspiration they need already has existed in the game. Honestly it wasn’t until the level crunch and class reworks that came with Shadowlands that Holy went to crap. BFA was fantastic for M+ with Holy and honestly the Holy had never played better in my opinion. But they decided to train wreck the entire design with the level crunch.
I don’t want to wait for them to sort this out. It is honestly depressing. My holy priest is celebrating 20 yrs old in about 3 months and I would like to be able to main it again even if for just 1 season. Tired of being forced to play something else just because whoever is in charge of priest development is incompetent.
So i am going to just stick it out and hope getting a head start of sorts early in the season will be enough to keep the invites rolling before everyone and their mother realizes that literally every other heal spec in the game is a better pick lol.
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I quit my hpriest and started maining rdruid.
It’s kinda frustrating to main a spec that doesn’t get any kind of update.
It didn’t get changes through alpha/beta/PTRs/11.0/11.5/11.7.
11.1 we get an initial update to the spec tree and we didn’t get a single, literally a single iteration over the update through all the PTR…
I might play my priest again if it ever gets some love, but I lost faith tbh
In the meantime we may get another MW rework/update or hunter revamp for the 10th time
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I think Holy feels okay in M+ at the moment. It reminds me of how I felt in Dragonflight a little bit. I found that I was doing much better if I just focused on healing and not trying to throw out damage (like I did early in Dragonflight). The damage just isn’t there to justify it in my opinion–Using Apotheosis to get, what, an extra 400k HPS on a big pack?
For me it’s back to simple whack-a-mole but now we’ve got the additional 10% healing during Apotheosis and three instant cast, +25% Heals. With the nerfs that they did it feels not too bad again right now. The bigger Sanctify feels good.
For AoE burst, in theory, we’ve got instant cast Sanctify and PoH for probably 12 to 15 seconds straight.
I don’t think it will be competitive in super high keys but I never thought Holy Priest was the competitive class. I always thought of them as the more polite, big hearted kind of players.
/shrug
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This is a problem tho.
All specs should be competitive.
I know sometimes there will be highlights, maybe one spec is meta and the other not. The case for Hpriest is it’s almost never meta and most of the time worst competitive healer.
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Holy priest is also filling the niche of being an easy to understand, point and shoot healer. For people who want an introductory healing experience, Holy fits that perfectly, and there’s another more competitive focused spec on the same class when you want to graduate to more competitive content.
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor,mod:shift] Holy Word: Sanctify;Holy Word: Serenity
That’s true to a point, but some people do like actually healing and there’s nothing as straight forward in terms of healing as a holy priest, it should be as competitive in all content as disc is.
Just because someone plays priest doesn’t mean they should like all 3 specs of it.
As an aff player too, i’d never in my life play demo or destro, because they’re not fun and that’s it, ironically, aff suffers the same fate that holy does, to be sub-par in m+ and never being competitive compared to destro or demo.
It’s a blizz problem at this point.
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As a priest player I play all 3 specs. I don’t try to heal through solo PvE content. If holy is really strong, I don’t play off-meta disc. I play the class. All 3 priest specs are fun and have their own niche.
You can hold on to your belief that every spec in the game should be viable and strong. Across 36 specs, there’s always going to be winners and losers. WoW is an incredibly complicated game to balance, given that there are multiple competing fight styles and a power curve of secondary stats, trinkets etc. So personally, I choose to be realistic and I’m much happier for it. I’m able to get into groups faster and actually play the game, I complete content faster, and I’m more valuable to my ground because I can fill many different roles.
At the end of the day if you spend every patch grinding your teeth because your thing isn’t strong, you’re spending A LOT of time being unhappy for no real benefit. Blizzard has been dealing with people grouching about their thing since Beta. It it what it is, and they are going to tune based on the data they have, which is far more complete than any anecdotal experience on the forums.
16 years as a priest and every season they make it worse, last time i remember having fun with HPriest was at BFA, from there on it’s being all about disappointment and frustration.
Hpriest is the Classic MMO Healer - “being a noob friendly option”…
But this should not make it out of the meta or of the competitive scenario…
Anyway
Thank you again blizzard.
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That’s a notion that must be done away with. Every healing spec in the game is noob friendly and hiding behind that excuse for Holy Priest only hinders proper refinement for mechanics.
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Imo Holy should be easy to pick up and play, but as complex or difficult to master as most other healers. Maybe not the hardest and should have the simplest dps rotation (but still decent damage). I think this is sort of how it is?
The problem is when your main spec is always the loser, everytime.
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I will surprise you by saying that not all players are meta slaves and many players have loyalty to their spec. They don’t expect their spec to be best at everything, they want it to be functional, viable and has its special flavor. When they sister spec beats them at everything, they’re understandably not happy about it.
The game may be complicated, but some things are very simple:
Out of 6 seasons of Dragonflight & TWW Discipline Priest has been m+ meta for at least 4 seasons, while holy for 0 seasons.
It is Blizzard’s own fault for bringing these worthless “hero” talents and making balancing situation from bad to worse. If they’re incapable of doing proper balance, at least do some god damned rotation and do not keep the same bloody spec meta for 2nd season in a row.
Apart from healing I very actively play tanks (Prot pally, prot war and blood DK) and I will tell you that the situation with tanks is much more balanced than with healers.
I’ve already shelved my holy priest, no amount of “rework” news of holy will give me any hope after this pathetic excuse of rework they did in 11.1. The only news that would give me hope would be that that imbicile in charge of healing tuning in TWW is laid off.
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To be fair, holy was op in shadowlands season 3 and was a meta spec.
It was the only time since legion that Hpriest was actually meta.
It’s never been higher than B tier after that in the following expansions until now. I’m only talking about M+.
No problem with balance being hard and having to rotate who is strong and who is weak each season… but man… make the healer meta rotate a bit dude.
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Agree with everything else but hard disagree with this.
We just need the monk dev to be our holy priest dev.
Holy really doesn’t need that much to be decent in M+ right now.
What it’s missing is a little more oomph in PoH and the spec would be totally fine for all the healing checks. It still wouldn’t be meta, because it doesn’t have mitigation or any good utility over Disc, but it would meet the checks fine. I’ve long since given up asking for Holy to get any kind of mobility or mitigation/utility, even thought it’s REALLY what the spec needs to be an actual top tier competitor in dungeons.
As it is right now, it’s actually is pretty fine to play, tbh. Just feels a bit weak.
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