Last time I pugged a normal the group wiped on the second boss and instantly disintegrated.
Last time I joined a guild and asked them about raiding they acted all defensive like there was something wrong with even asking.
I still die in lfr but at least no one kicks me and a group will generally stay together even after a wipe or two. I would just rather not raid at all but the small chance of gear and more crucially opening the vault keeps me doing it. At some point in the week I’ve exhausted the open world and then it’s just like “oh well, why not?”
Once catchup gear is on par I usually stop unless I really need sparks or flight stones.
Carry you while you are learning is the whole point.
They have a limited time to do their pug, and people want to be carried while they learn. This learning process could take more then one raid.
I find too many people want everything for nothing in this game. You may as well put achievements in the cash shop.
Do the work. Watch videos, Ready Check Pull I think its called, is great. I go in for my first pull after having watch one of those videos 2 or 3 times and I have no issues.
I reckon people probably skim through them as say, damn this I am going to wing it and HAVE SOMEONE CARRY ME.
To Totta’s point, but friendlier to people without their own guild, keep an eye out for Prog groups (as in ones that list that they’re progging in Normal). In my personal experience they tend to wipe more, but they’re much more lenient about things overall. Also, they often like to have people that will join them more regularly if you find people you like. I think like 20% of my Discord servers are just neat guild groups I met.
So rather than people take the time to network and find good people to play with or a guild which can suit their needs, we should just have Blizzard make a brand new game mode for people who wanna make an intended group-activity into a solo one?
Couple things on this.
38 people haven’t been in a single raid group in a long time. You can very easily find a more close knit smaller raid group where you can function fine.
Acting like all guild leaders / raid leaders are “salty nerds” who will yell at you for making a mistake is way off base. You can very easily find a casual / semi-serious guild where no one gets yelled at and you don’t get “talked to” about mechanics.
I don’t think you know much about game design. Remember when we brought in raid changes during 7.3.5? Tuning the raid broke questing at a fundamental level everywhere else.
while it’s true that I’m a nerd
It’s also true that I’m sometimes salty
I never yell at people for making mistakes
In my networking, I don’t know any toher guild leaders that yell at their guildies for mistakes. I think people just take the exaggerated “50 dKp MiNUs” meme videos from youtube or w/e as gospel as to how all guilds are.
If you join a “ONE SHOT GROUP” or something similar, and you wipe the group or do something to get yourself killed early in the fight, expect to be removed.
There are learning groups out there for normal mode. They aren’t as numerous as other groups, but they do exist.
Watch videos before hand to get brief rundowns of how the fights work, essentially if you die on normal then you or someone else are doing something catastrophically wrong. I mythic raid personally and I ALWAYS watch a video guide before I step into raid so I have a semblance of an idea of what I need to do. It helps more than people think that it does and in turn means your less likely to be kicked.
I would recommend finding a pug labeled learning group, This early on theres always a few round prime time and theyre generally much more pacient then your average pug.
Other then that maybe its a damage/healing problem, normal has very few fail states before fyrrak that arent just didnt do enough damage and healing and none of them are solo responsibility(where 1 or 2 people can ruin it alone) besides tank swaps; so you could just be underperforming and need to focus more on output for a bit.
Correct. And there’s nothing wrong with making them. There’s plenty of times where I’ve made a mistake as the raid leader and I went “Well, now I know how that mechanic works.”
These people thinking every guild / raid leader on the planet is somehow out to get them need a dose of reality. I wish my biggest issue was thinking people on the internet who I might play a video game with were somehow gonna yell at me.