Hi, Ive been playing wow for about a year or so now and i think im ready to take on the more hardcore side like raiding an M+.
I was just wondering if yall could give me some tips for how to prepare? How hard is it? Do i need a specific ilvl? What should i learn to do? I cant really find much content online for new players and what i can find is kinda lacking in explanation?
Please offer help rather than telling me to go look online for it, thats what the forum are for.
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- Mechanics of M+ are the same as base mythic (also known as M0) difficulty
- Anyone can start an M0, do that first to get a feel of the fights before progressing to +2 or above keys, finishing an M0 will also give you a random +2 key
- Dungeon journal also lists the tooltips for all mythic dungeon abilities under âmythicâ difficulty, for each higher mythic key difficulty multipliers are applied to the damage of all these abilities and the health of trash + bosses
- Gem/enchant all your gear, yes that includes lower end items that you might replace in the near future
- Your ilvl is fine to pug anything up to the +5-6 difficulty range
- However what is a âsufficient ilvlâ depends if you are hosting your own key or you are joining someone elseâs group, the latter case will almost always have a significantly higher ilvl req from the group leader
- Continuing with the previous comment on average for M+ the ratio of tank to healer to DPS applicants is on the order of 1:20-30:100-200, in other words as a DPS there are ALWAYS other DPS applying that are more geared and/or experienced than you
- Decent tanks in general do not exist for lower M+ difficulties, therefore to be blunt your only chance to decently progress through the M+ pug world from the bottom is to host your own key every time or learn to play your tank/or healing specs together with the proper extra gear for those specs (one handed weapon, shield, azerite, trinkets)
https://mythicpl.us/
That link will give you some brief info + tips on the affixes as well as the affix schedule.
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My advice is to just run your own key once you have one. Push that key to the level you canât complete and just rinse and repeat until that number grows. Building your group will also let you experiment with the types of players youâd like to play with.
Personally, I donât invite anyone who sends a tell while in queue. That person generally spends more time typing than playing their role and is usually terrible.
Complaining about missing the timer while being at the bottom of the dps meter, interrupt meter and body pulling things left and right.
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Look at the guides on wowhead. Even trash have mechanics that can lead to life and death if not handled properly. Every week will be a learning curve as you learn how to handle affixes. For me, I hated each and every one until I learned an affix or combination of affixes that was even worse, but eventually youâll get to the point where none of them are much of a roadblock for you, just something else you have to learn and theyâve been the same since m+ started so Iâd assume theyâll stay like that for as long as m+ continues so once you have it figured out, youâll have it figured out for good.
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Cross said it pretty well. If youâre still kind of sketchy of jumping into a key, look for âworld tourâ mythics in LFG (a group thatâll do most/all of the mythic 0s). Theyâll give you an easy idea for the baseline mechanics, as well as a key you can push as you adjust to your role. As you tip toe towards higher keys, more affixes will be applied and thatâs where I highly recommend reading up on those affixes so you know what to look for and deal with it.
Yes this is the best pug strategy if he/she is willing to learn their tank spec as well. Hosting a low key as a tank will get you swarmed with invites from geared + experienced people, and if you are scared you can put a note in the title and/or description stating you are learning to tank or learning the mechanics.
If the run finishes but you failed the timer itâs no big deal, you still might get loot and you still (hopefully) learned something about your spec and the dungeon or affix specific mechanics. If people are not patient and leave early forcing you to start another group again in your case no big deal because itâs your key and you are still learning.
Regardless of the path or role you choose you need to develop a thick skin and serious patience playing in the M+ pure pug world.
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I cannot stress enough the importance of using your stuns/interrupts well.
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Not just that
- blessing of protection
- blessing of freedom
- cleanse toxins
- flash of light
- word of glory (if talented)
- rebuke and hammer of justice as mentioned
- repentance/blinding light (if talented)
Keybind all of these and use them during the key run as much as possible to practice muscle memory. There are plenty of experienced players that forget that any form of stun/CC/knockback/disorient/etc IS an interrupt against many forms of trash. For example the big guards in shrine with âwhirling slamâ canât be interrupted but any other control type ability outside of roots WILL stop their cast. In most cases the game treats such abilities as an interrupt and the enemy will not cast/use the ability again for several seconds.
Similarly you are a powerful healing hybrid class. As ret you should be throwing out word of glory or flash of light + selfless healer all the time as spot heals when you see people dropping low. Healbot is a good healing addon with mouseover capability to do such heals quickly in one click. As prot you should be doing the same thing but with hand of the protector (talent) instead.
See someone getting beat up by trash or has a nasty bleed effect ? blessing of protection, see someone with a nasty magical debuff ? blessing of sacrifice (not available to ret) to take some pressure off.
See multiple poison/disease debuffs out ? use your cleanse because a healer can only cleanse one person at a time and some healers cannot cleanse poison and/or disease AT ALL.
If you donât use these tools then you are nothing more than some generic melee fighter, worse than an equivalent DPS warrior/DK who would love to have such utility in M+.
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If you have friends, try to do runs with friends. If you lfg your key, just put a note in that youâre just learning and looking for people who can be tolerant. If you arenât in a guild, try to join a guild that is new player friendly. If you donât know a lot of people, lfg is good for building a network. If youâre a healer, people dying is not necessarily your fault.
Also, one of the best m+ hpals in the world wrote a comprehensive guide: wingsisup dot com. Because haha I canât post links.
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Hey dude, I would be happy to tank a few dungeons for you if youâd like some company.
Feel free to add me willthegreen#1549
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A lot of good stuff here.
Another suggestion is download the Method dungeon tools add on.
You donât need to follow planned routes or anything, but you can play with it while waiting around to get a feel for how much trash needs to be killed for each dungeon.
Some dungeons if you run them like a M0 you would end under the %.
Meh, not really. M0s I pull the whole world and mow them down because itâs just easier than watching some idjit body pull it. Keys you generally start getting better groups and pulling much more than required can be a difference between timing it or not.
Get good at making your own groups, and be upfront about it going to take a bit of time in the LFG group note. Usually people donât rage hard if youâre willing to share ahead of time the information that youâre new to it all.
Yes if you are not sure then make it clear in the title (not the description, most people are too lazy to read that) that it is a learning and/or completion group.
Just jump in and start running low keys. Some eggs will get broken before you make the omlete but thatâs ok.
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Suggested verbiage: âChill runâ, or âcompletion onlyâ. The community knows those terms to mean that youâre not necessarily trying to beat the timer, and youâll get like-minded people applying to your group.
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How are you all gonna flag this Crossbless post and he is being way more chill than he usually is?
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Eh whatever I guess obscuring questionable words with asterisks is no longer allowed.
Instead of doing that Iâll use the wordâŚfruit bowl instead. Cluster fruitbowl, sound good ?
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