Which class would you like to see more? Both use mail armor, and both are Gun or Bow based.
Tinker class:
- Artificer spec: Ranged dps spec that summons turrets and wears a tinker backpack
- Pilot spec: Tank spec that swaps between piloting different mechs
- Apothecary spec: Healer spec with a permanent Frankenstein pet
Ranger class:
- Dark Ranger spec: Ranged dps with DoTs, silence, mobility, and mind control
- Sentinel/Farstrider spec: Healing spec with moderate dps, like Starfall and shooting Owls (long range snipe), Phoenix arrow (small aoe), and Frostwyrm arrow (slow), Entanglement (root).
- Warden/Spellbreaker spec: Melee DPS spec, with Glaive + shield. Can throw the glaive for mid range attacks.
I can't like my own comments to vote, but I guess that's cool. I'll try to remain neutral and give points for both sides.
EDIT: Added melee spec to ranger to make it more unique. Now the healing spec would be much richer in concept, and the melee spec would also be the that can dps with a shield. Ranger is not a hunter, use your imagination.
Likes for Tinker
Likes for Ranger
We have more than enough tanks imo, but a ranged/healer might be interesting. Just make mechs big cds for both specs instead of a constant, like Meta. Mail armor, both use guns. And then just rip abilities from WC3 and Starcraft ez pz.
I would love a Tinker... But wouldnt a healing spec be more along the lines of using Medic Bots and Medic Kits to heal their targets? Apothecary doesn't sound right, doesn't seem to fit the Tinker class fantasy.
Tinker and alchemist from WC3 could be put together to make a class in wow.
I just don't see design space for ranger. Way way way too much overlap with hunter.
I just don't see design space for ranger. Way way way too much overlap with hunter.
Ranger, I am not a fan of MM anymore and I hate that I have to rely on a pet, it feels more like a burden than a helper anymore.
10/26/2018 08:23 PMPosted by AlphonI would love a Tinker... But wouldnt a healing spec be more along the lines of using Medic Bots and Medic Kits to heal their targets? Apothecary doesn't sound right, doesn't seem to fit the Tinker class fantasy.
just throwing ideas. It'd definitelly heal with potions and healing bots, even a dart gun would be cool. But what would you name it?
Apothecary is the only lore friendly name that comes to class regarding potions and inventions.
Tinker. I'd love there to be a mail tank. (I thought that DH would wear mail for sure back when they were announced.)
But then, I'm also one of the guys pushing for a tanking spec for shaman based around Earth so that they get all 4 elements.
But then, I'm also one of the guys pushing for a tanking spec for shaman based around Earth so that they get all 4 elements.
10/26/2018 08:27 PMPosted by XukonTinker and alchemist from WC3 could be put together to make a class in wow.
I just don't see design space for ranger. Way way way too much overlap with hunter.
There wouldn't be overlap with hunter. Hunters don't use shadow magic, can't MC, can't heal others, and they barely have any elemental or magic based skills (almost everything is physical)
The only thing they'd have in common is the bow. But, how many classes do we have that use a sword, or a staff? Why can't we have more than one class with a bow?
I'd prefer seeing a tinker class added rather than ranger, it would be both fun to play (probably) and help boost the numbers on gnomes and goblins which are pretty scarce.
Neither.
Necromaners, Hemomancer and Bards.
Shut up DKs, you wannabes don't count.
Necromaners, Hemomancer and Bards.
Shut up DKs, you wannabes don't count.
10/26/2018 08:29 PMPosted by FlashelasBut then, I'm also one of the guys pushing for a tanking spec for shaman based around Earth so that they get all 4 elements.
I'd love that too, and I'd love a Knife Juggler spec for rogues as well... but maybe for another thread.
As I said in another thread I would KILL for a Tinker class. I'd want its DPS spec to be a mix between FF14's Mechanist and WoW's Mage. Focus on guns, use different types of gunpowders and rounds for various effects, plop down Turrets to help you kill stuff, and have all kinds of gizmos and gadgets to replicate mage-like effects, like Blinking and Polymorphs and Portals.
Tank spec would be, as you said, piloting a mech combat suit. You'd still use guns, but it'd be integrated into your combat suit into a "shotgun" like arm, making it more of a point blank weapon.
Heal spec would definitely be all about loading your gun with healing bullets to shoot your friends with.
Though also this, and Warlocks can be a tank too, that way you'd have a tank spec for each armor type. Also, I miss Dark Apotheosis...
Tank spec would be, as you said, piloting a mech combat suit. You'd still use guns, but it'd be integrated into your combat suit into a "shotgun" like arm, making it more of a point blank weapon.
Heal spec would definitely be all about loading your gun with healing bullets to shoot your friends with.
10/26/2018 08:29 PMPosted by Flashelas
But then, I'm also one of the guys pushing for a tanking spec for shaman based around Earth so that they get all 4 elements.
Though also this, and Warlocks can be a tank too, that way you'd have a tank spec for each armor type. Also, I miss Dark Apotheosis...
Hate the whole idea of a tinker being a class in wow. I understand we have somewhat of a punk mech style but people are just going over board with it. If a tinker class like the one you described comes into wow. Total lose of immersion for me.
I really dont see how you can easily differentiate Rangers from hunters. Sure you can give them different abilities but what would make them feel like a new class rather than a group of hunter specs that aren't hunter specs for some reason?
10/26/2018 08:32 PMPosted by Wÿvern10/26/2018 08:27 PMPosted by XukonTinker and alchemist from WC3 could be put together to make a class in wow.
I just don't see design space for ranger. Way way way too much overlap with hunter.
There wouldn't be overlap with hunter. Hunters don't use shadow magic, can't MC, can't heal others, and they barely have any elemental or magic based skills (almost everything is physical)
The only thing they'd have in common is the bow. But, how many classes do we have that use a sword, or a staff? Why can't we have more than one class with a bow?
Wrong Black Arrow was a key part of the old survival spec and was a MM talent after it was destroyed. Not sure if it still is in BFA. Life drain is a warlock ability, silence is a priest ability. The only ability dark rangers have that wasn't handed out is charm but that isn't a basis for the spec. You got a sentinal spec which is basically just priest with a bow? Or you wanna make a spec around the glaive toss talent? That elemental spec just sounds like old survival.
I said demon hunters had no design space before we knew they were a class and I feel vindicated in that with how shallow the class is. Dark rangers have even less design space than demon hunter did.
10/26/2018 08:36 PMPosted by ThravHate the whole idea of a tinker being a class in wow. I understand we have somewhat of a punk mech style but people are just going over board with it. If a tinker class like the one you described comes into wow. Total lose of immersion for me.
Uh a little late? It's been part of the world since WC3.
10/26/2018 08:36 PMPosted by ThravIf a tinker class like the one you described comes into wow. Total lose of immersion for me.
All these ideas are based of WC3 units. The only thing lore breaking is that we don't have them yet. I'm sure they'll come eventually.
Why not combine the two into a single hybrid class?
10/26/2018 08:36 PMPosted by ThravHate the whole idea of a tinker being a class in wow. I understand we have somewhat of a punk mech style but people are just going over board with it. If a tinker class like the one you described comes into wow. Total lose of immersion for me.
How is it a loss of immersion? 90% of the things we're suggesting we *already have in the WoW universe*
I mean, hell, we even have a gun that shoots bandages!