I’ve been fed up with it since Legion and Shadowlands is going to have to be where I draw the line due to my experience with BfA.
I just recently got started back up after not playing since BfAs launch and I’m almost up to speed with active players and couldn’t help to notice the magnitude of how bad it is in this expansion.
I am losing motivation to log in when I really don’t want to quit, I really am trying to give the game a chance but this style of gameplay is not even the least bit of fun to me.
Shadowlands will be my last chance. I refuse to go through the time gating and reputation grinding for a 3rd expansion. I know rep grinding has been a thing for x years but to make rep grind be the core gameplay as well as a requirement for essential gameplay features, that’s where it ruins it for me. It just goes to show it’s a tired mechanic that once worked well in a era of MMOs when people had that kind of attentionspan to mindlessly grind. Stop using it as an excuse, just get rid of it or find a better alternative.
I hope you take this asinine system to the drawing board, Blizzard. Something needs to be done about this. Otherwise, as much as I don’t want it to come to this, I’m not going to be buying any more expansions and I will never be a part of WoW again.
Snarky reply don’t you think?
So when there’s something someone doesn’t like about the game, just keep quiet and continue forcing bad content down their throat?
Why post this on the Classic forum? I play both and will continue to do so, but many here don’t even play retail. Oh, and btw, I don’t mind the rep grinding.
Shadowlands might be my last expansion as well, not for the grind but to unlock legacy loot for legion which i consider to be the end of my story in wow.
I think its a good time in the story to move on and come back after a few years, unless Shadowlands somehow wows me (no pun intended). I have too many mmos and srpgs to catch up on.
Though to be honest I may just stay subbed just to farm old content or level up new toons, just not buy any new expansions.
Since rep grinds and time gating have been in wow since Classic. I’m pretty sure it’s a safe bet that both will be present in SL. (We already know pathfinder will be in SL)
This is not my main.
This is not my first bnet account.
I have played enough content of this expansion to know whether or not I enjoy it (which I do not so far, but I’m still trying to enjoy it).
Whether or not you consider how much content I’ve played is acceptable for your standards of my opinion, does not matter to me. I do not enjoy what I’ve experienced so far, therefore, I skipped almost the entire expansion.
How things USED to be was essentially “grind dungeons for currency to gear slowly or do progression raiding to gear less slowly”.
Of course you could always find other junk to kill time with, but that was the core endgame outside of PvP which is basically always a static thing.
Looking at that NOW, it sounds like nothing. It seems like it should get dull super quickly, especially since most people don’t raid, and I don’t know that I want to go back to things being that basic.
WoW has added -so much- to do that’s all actually relevant in the modern version of the game, but -so much- of it is menial garbage that makes me not want to log in, and -so much- of it is so close to mandatory that it’s just soul crushing at times.
Might as well say goodbye then because it’s not going away. Poopsockers couldn’t throttle their addictive consumption of content and Blizzard didn’t want to make the rep grinds insane for casuals, so they struck a middle-ground by time gating it all.
If the content is bad, like Nazjatar, then why would anyone want to keep touching it outside of the intro or a forced gate like pathfinder part 2? BFA is just Legion with less features, no PVP vendors, and more AP grinding with less rewards.
@Hellasha I would argue the Classic didn’t have a time gate as that Blizz team was creating it. This team has made it, they’re just putting in time gate to show the “time played” to their shareholders. No where near the amount of passion in this team or it’s misplaced leader.
I joined for the fact that the grind isn’t a slog but you also get reasonable amounts per day.
Sure maybe they can have a system like Mechagon where if you’re on capped on rep - you can grind continuously for your alts, but I don’t want to lose it either.
Are we going to have to suffer through a wasted first half of the expansion on the ground? I unsubbed after the first half of pathfinder, and waited until the second half was released to return. Not interested in being stuck on the ground, wandering through terribly-designed zones (hi nazjatar) just because I can’t figure out how to get up (or down) to some annoying objective without consulting an external website. Or slogging through dozens of bloated HP sack enemies.
Is the iLevel power gap between Team LFR and Team Mythic, as well as Raid 1 vs Raid 2, going to be as moronic as it was this time around? When I ran freshly leveled characters through Nazjatar’s intro quests, it was like attacking current-content dungeon elites solo. For quest content, that’s stupid and inexcusable.
Is the Nazjatar/N’Zoth daily quest trend going to continue into SL? By that, I mean…well both of these areas have quite possibly the worst, most unpleasant dailies I think I’ve ever done in wow.
Is there going to be another artifact grind?
Will said artifact end up in the dumpster along with the ones from Legion and (presumably) the Heart of Azeroth when the expansion ends?
Is running alts going to be as tedious (hi mostly-unskippable scenarios in the legendary cloak chain) as it is in BfA?
If the answer to any of these is “yes” then…yeah I’m with the OP. WoW no longer has the MMO market as cornered as it once did. If Blizzard keeps putting out unpleasant content, no amount of nostalgia, brand loaylty, or feelings of “invested time” are going to keep people sticking around when there are better games out there.
I don’t mind there being an achievement for flying however, what I do mind is how it’s executed. Coming to a dead stop where you cant consistently earn rep until waiting for WQs to pop up feels uninspiring to me.
Every time I’ve brainstormed ideas for Blizzard, it just feels like I’m screaming into the void knowing their years long streak of lack of communication with their customers.
Either way, don’t get me wrong, Shadowlands looks very interesting and I have a feeling it will be a great expansion. Lots of new and interesting ideas (such of covenants) actually has me a little hyped for it, but not so much to where I’m looking forward to it every day.
Because you are. They aren’t interested in your ideas or what you think, just like they aren’t interested in my ideas or what I think. If you want their ear, you have to be a big-name streamer, and even then, they have their “vision” for each expansion and nothing is going to get in the way of that. Apparently even drops in subscriptions.
Unbelievable that there might be players with different playstyles and preferences, and the same one size fits all on rails like it or lump it template-created content might not be appealing to everybody equally.
I figure 8.3 is the alpha for Shadowlands, which will be 8.3 on steroids. If you love 8.3 content, there’s going to be even more time-gating and even more content locked behind content like torghast and covenants.
I’d be pleasantly surprised to be wrong, but I see the future of wow as elimination of casual content with an increasing trend toward player control of access to content by other players. It’s the trend toward what devs see as the best features of vanilla, ie, limited access to end game content to make it feel “epic” again to be one of the few who raid.
So if they go back to the old rep grind method of tiny amounts of rep that takes diehards a month to grind, it will take casuals 6 months to grind. Not going to fly in 2020.
As someone who’s been playing since the original closed beta, I’m fine with that. Keeps me playing longer before getting bored of having nothing to do.
And that would be the death of WoW. Casuals make up a good 75% of the player-base. Right now, only ~12% of players have The Waking Dream (carapace/nzoth). This late in the expansion, only 45% have ghuun.
If they started gutting casual content, this game would be dwindle down to a smouldering brown dwarf of around 500k subs, within a year, just like Classic.
