We’ll just be a 5% magic damage buff 'cause our crappy damage in ST won’t make us a good choice for raid anymore.
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Yep, even fury warrior out performs us in terms of damage.
We will be F by the end of the raid, maybe D but that literally is ONLY because of chaos brand making 1 of us mandatory, i really wish another class would pick it up so i wouldn’t feel guilty switching on my raid team lol
Havoc will be strong in pvp, all that matters to me.
I just want to note these, “Tier Lists” are based off the opinions of one individual, we could perform better (very doubtful) or perform much worse (F Tier).
We Told them the gameplay with the new set on PTR was trash weeks ago and now they want to try and add a 10% damage to everything. The TR set is trash and adding in a play style for the eye beam is not going to work because we almost never rely on eye beam damage.
essence brake windows are all that matters and an eyebeam is useless if you have to move off target, so in these fights, you might get 50% usefulness out of an eye beam, because of holding it till you can use it or just downtime in the fight. I spent the first season out gearing my raid group to compete, this season I switch from DH and it will be D or C at best, so I don’t know all these people keep saying A when they know it is in the basement right now.
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Is this before the may 9th tuning?
Not that its anything crazy
The only they they tuned was our Fury builders, it’s a total of about 1% more dmg and we will still be bottom in this raid because it’s mostly ST and we are TERRIBLE at ST!
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Me too, last tier we had 3 DHs in the raid, down to 2 by the end of it. Myself and another. And I’m stuck playing dh against this tier, cause the other guy asked to switch before me. xD
Nailed it, good post.
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Those buffs aren’t that great, they are for our resource generators, which is what does the least damage, I don’t think that this buff improves ST damage by more than 3%
The change to Serrated Glaive and the Chaos Theory bug fix are the biggest changes we have in ST if I’m not mistake.
Devs are tepid with the DH.
Honestly I think Realz is testing the waters. Serrated Glaive was much needed, i actually enjoy pressing TG because of the results, something that I wish I could get from Momentum. I think hes just being cautious because of the new raid, maybe he knows something we dont.
You gotta think, anytime we get substantial changes, we are top of the mountain. Then complaints come in and they throw nerf darts at us. A great example was Season 1 Dragonflight, KYE was nuts, Essence Break was nuts (Shut up Gardunkle) they nerfed KYE 20% and Essence Break Damage 20% I think? Not the bonus though. Even Chaos Strike was nerfed for what ever reason. Ragefire got clocked in the head too I believe. So its one of those things, We are very potent in damage, so if they over buff us, it could be bad because then they have to nerf us again
To be fair I think those nerfs made sense. We were coming into DF way ahead of almost every spec in the game. If you have that kind of advantage over a long enough period of time then the nerfs are beyond disproportionate. Look what’s happened to sin this last patch, all three rogue specs by far top s/t damage? One of them has to get made a pariah.
I think they are scared to buff us because we have somewhat frequent burst windows which are really high but outside of them our damage falls off pretty hard. I think they had the right idea buffing our builders to help boost our sustain but it’s still not enough.
Long-term both Havoc and Vengeance need some talent tree reworks. VDH is going to feel awful after we lose S2 tier-set.
After all of shadowlands they owe it to let us not be complete trash for at least one tier. But no. They can’t even do that. Already at the bottom at the start of this new tier.
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I mean the guy has FDK as B and A tier. They are flat out the worst class in the game. F tier in both. Absolute trash.
DH could use a flat 5% damage buff.
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Our class design is atrocious; it was objectively better in BFA and Legion. The people who disagree just think hitting fel rush occasionally and stacking their EB window makes them galaxy-brained.
We need a partial rework combined with some significant buffs. Not the least of which being a return to the glory days of Furious Gaze. 288% haste felt nice. The slow, plodding iteration of Havoc these days is dull and ineffective.
Honestly, I don’t even mind Momentum gameplay. I just want to be able to deal damage outside of a 3-second window…
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