IO score use to be the gatekeeper of getting invited to keys for mythic + but these days groups are riddled with tittles like “2-4pc tier required” or “link your tier items”
And pretty much very few groups that are running decently high keys will invite you if you don’t have your tier set already. Even for 16s-18s I still see groups requiring that, and it’s kinda crazy to me to see how eliteist this community is when it comes to running keys.
I’m sure people would do just fine in your 16 key without their 4pc tier set lol
People were pushing 20s without any tier. It’s just a typical PUG requirement to try and bridge the skill/knowledge gap for randoms. I have my own group, and run with my guild sometimes for keys. I advise trying to build your own group.
Their key. Their rules. They obviously want a fast run where they feel they have a better chance keying.
At least you aren’t blaming Blizzard like everyone else does on how the community acts so kudos for that and calling out the community for this. Not going to lie though, if I was doing a pug and +15 or higher, I probably would prefer someone with tier pieces too over someone with out. I only have 1 tier piece which isn’t equipped because for now it isn’t better than the item have in its spot. But if I wasn’t running m+ with guildees I would understand someone with 2-4 piece tier set would get picked over me. Life goes on.
Because every guild I’ve ever joined in the past 3 years has gone like this.
Day 1 - You join, the guild leaders are like lets run a few keys, all good
Day 2 - If you’re lucky, they’re still pretending to like you.
Day 3 - You ask in guild if anyone wants to run keys, crickets. You see a group or two (clique) of people who are running keys.
Day 4 - You try and be persistent, ask again a few times, and after some persistence they finally say they’ll run some keys with you after the run they’re currently in. What you don’t realize is they’re going to switch to their undergeared alts, who shouldn’t be in keys, and you’re going to have to carry. You end up with 2 or 3 guildies like this, and end up depleting your key.
Day 5+ - Repeat of Day 3 or Day 4
I’ve been in a good 10-15 guilds across my toons over the past 3 years (raiding and even getting AotC with them), and it’s always this. So yeah these hypothetical guilds that will help you out, be your friend, etc. They don’t exist. It will take months/years to become a functioning member and to join one of these cliques who always run keys together. Not worth my time, and to be honest, based on my experiences, I’ve had better success in PuG’s than the scraps I get in guilds, as at least I can choose who I invite to my groups.
The last “good” long term guild I was in (BC → Cata) disbanded after Cata unfortunately. And the best guild I ever was in disbanded after Vanilla (half the guild left wow due to the 40 → 25 man transition they introduced with BC)
a lot it’s 50/50 but it get way better when you start doing more difficult keys because if you want to pugs high keys with pugs ’ you need to play the game a lot = make betters players
Often times it’s because we have no other choice. I started SL in 9.1 without a guild and though I’ve joined several guilds, none of them have been doing keys at the level I want to push. My current guild on my shaman is the closest but they are still slightly lower than what I would like. I want to be pushing 18-20s and my guild is mostly doing 15-16s. Also, I find pugging not to be that bad.
But the problem with the tier set metric is there is nothing we can do about it besides pray to rngesus. We can choose our spec. We can raise our IO. We can time more keys in a given range.
Until we can craft our tier sets we fill the vault and can do nothing else which I think is a bad system for such a big power gain. Give us a way to continuously grind for them.
Sorry but this scenario only happens if you are bad.
The guild runs keys with you at the start to gauge if you’re worth investing time into, if it’s clear that you’re an excellent player but is lacking gear they will gear you up and run keys with you if not you’ll never get an invite again.
If I join a random guild at 2850io my pms would be flooded with people asking me to do keys.
Like who doesnt love a free carry, if you’re a good player people will latch onto you and become a parasite.
My current raiding guild has two bad tanks. Not a great point in the tier to look for a new guild, as most rosters have locked down for prog. I know one M+ tank Alliance side and that’s basically it - otherwise my raiding toon is dumpster diving in Alliance PUG keys. It hurts big time.
Nobody cares if a resto shaman has their set because they know it does nothing for their damage. Fury warrior, mm hunter etc… you will notice the difference.