Tier Drops - Is it more likely to drop w/ high #s of particular classes in group?

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Hey there. I’m hoping for a blue response on this, as there is no conclusive response anywhere that I could find.

Here’s the question/scenario:

  • I’m trying to do my best as a raid leader to help gear up my raiders.
  • Let’s say I have 11 people on the same tier. 5 hunters, 3 mages, and 3 druids.
    (The rest of my raid is on the other tokens)
  • I have a total of 22 people in my raid.
  • Therefore, 50% of my raid needs the Mystic Token - Druids/Mages/Hunters

Here are my questions:

  1. Is there a higher chance that the Mystic Token tier pieces will drop?
  2. If not, what is the formulae used to decide what tier pieces drop?
  3. Is there a chance that the special rare bonus bow will drop when we have 0 hunters in the raid?

Thanks, just trying to figure it all out.

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It’s completely random. On my second heroic Broodkeeper kill we got 2 tokens for classes that weren’t in the raid. They just went to the vendor.

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They were supposed to have fixed that back in Vanilla, back when we used to get fkn paladin tier when Horde didn’t even have Paladins. When they re-implemented tier they just decided F that?

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There’s no logic behind the drops as far as I know. Pure RNG. The Sylvanas legendary bow would drop for raids without hunters back in pre-patch.

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Well, hopefully Blizzard notices this problem and fixes it :smiley: and if it’s working as intended, that’s messed up! Thanks for the useless loot, Blizzard. Welcome to Vanilla where Horde gets Paladin tier and Alliance gets Shaman tier. :rage: :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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This is why the Inspiration Catalyst needs to be out already. Another three weeks is way too long to wait

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The only actual precedent is what they did back in the day with Tier drops and weights - they had 4 classes on the Vanq token (Rogue, Mage, Druid, DK) versus the others with 3 each, so they gave Vanq an increased chance to drop so that it was 40%/30%/30%.

This was also supposedly adjusted when Monks were released and added to the Protector token.
Providing the same precedents apply, we’d expect Zenith (Warr, Rogue, Monk, Evoker) to have a higher drop rate than the others, but we don’t actually know if they’ve done that currently AFAIK.

We also know that the current token groupings were done on “flavour” back when Personal loot existed, and these types of considerations didn’t exist, and also therefore have no reflection on how the classes are spread among the playerbase. When they reformed tier tokens TO Vanq/Protector/Conq, they did that to try and account for player spread among classes (they messed up with Defender/Champion/Hero), and the same logic was why they chose Protector for Monks. Obviously, the current token groupings is very different.

Incidentally, they used the same attitude with armour types in general as well - Leather had a higher drop rate because “more classeS”, even thought that may not have been correlated with more people actually playing Leather-wearing classes. We currently don’t know what they’ve done in this Need/Greed system AFAIK.

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Given that someone else’s experience was two tokens dropped for classes that weren’t in the raid on Heroic Broodkeeper is pretty ridiculous.

Apparently “Liquid got the CE bow on their world 2nd kill with no hunters in the raid.” which is insane.

Also, here’s a post showing Mythic Sylvanas dropping 3 of the Legendary bows with 0 hunters in the raid. Here’s a link to the post (which has a screenshot of the loot) as well as a link to the logs to show there were 0 hunters in the raid.


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgq8NHBZXLwnfKt6#fight=12&type=damage-done

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I would really love it if this could be address by the devs as a problem to correct. There are a lot of problems in the game, but this one in particular feels extremely bad.

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If you mean loot dropping without the classes for it being present, the devs have been quizzed about this. It’s an interaction they want to happen, because “the belief is that this rewards groups for playing with a diverse set of classes”

Which is a stupid-as take, but they’ve never been ones to let that stop them.

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I mean, I can’t tell you the number of times that I’ve had 2 druids in my raid and 2 hunters and 4 mages and all of the mages have their tier because it drops constantly but the druid/hunter one NEVER drops so my poor raiders never get their damn tier set unless RNG blesses their vault. :frowning: … so, I bring diverse classes, they just get screwed