You’re giving far too much credit to the difficulty of a +8 keystone.
Additionally, forming a group is also something that can be done in a delve (though optional). The act of forming a group is not indicative of difficulty, otherwise, we’d be comparing apples to oranges with different modes of content that also require the formation of groups.
+8 keystones are welfare keystones and delves at 10 and above should have an equivalent payout per run of 2-3 crests.
Compared to delves no I’m not.
Did you really just compare something that’s optional to something that’s not?
Mplus also requires more coordination.
Delves in general are more welfare than anything in this game.
Bro bought a ce carey. Imagine thinking you’re qualified to talk about difficulty at any level.
I’ll repeat, the act of forming a group is not indicative of difficulty. If you’re elaborating on you’re earlier point to clarify that you were referring to the coordination required within M+, then I would agree that on a 1:1 scale M+ is more difficult than delves.
However, a delve at 10 and above should have an equivalent yield of 2-3 crests. It’s nominal and would still be significantly less efficient than simply starting up / joining a +8 keystone. Even untimed, the keystone would still yield a higher payout ratio.
I agree. That being said, they have their place here. They don’t come close to Myth track and at the moment they only yield a small amount of runed crests per run.
They’re a great balance for people who aren’t avid consumers of organized raiding or dungeon content.
As opposed to feeling forced to run Mythic+.
I’ve been respectful to you this entire conversation.
Why go there when this is a genuinely good conversation? I’m happy to cease responding if you aren’t engaged.
What exactly are you imagining the incentive used to be?
No it shouldn’t. The difficulty doesn’t match the reward if it gave gilded.
Then you don’t get the best gear or gilded crests. Hard concept is hard.
I haven’t insulted you.
Because someone who buys a ce carry doesn’t really have any grounds to talk about content difficulty.
I will commend you for not denying it though.
If they do, then Zekvir should count towards Vault again.
lmao.
As much as I love the idea of getting 626 gear from delves, This would invalidate mythic + pushing and needed to kill the last two bosses of heroic for me and likely others. Delves are cool but at the current difficulty adding gilded crests would destroy other gearing systems.
grats! I tried a t11 and even on the easier delv couldnt finish, my blood dk is at 606 and my dh is at 608 both struggle to finish with lives remaining, someday I hope to knock that ahcievement out.
But just again… GRATS on clearing that t11 
Nope T9+ aren’t meant for gear rewards once it goes down that road it starts to undermine who Delves are for. T9+ should only be titles, cosmetic, xmog or things like that.
Cap should be T8 and only that.
Ooo another “Only I can run 9,10’s and only I can have gilded crests” post.
2-3 per run would be feasible even for a sorta casual delve runner they can get their 636 weapon in a month with 3 per day
Nah , this will make a lot of players who do not like delves to do delves. Might help with Blizzard engagement metrics but nah
Well a lot of players who don’t like Mythic+ do Mythic+ in order to get Gilded crests. Which probably helps Blizzard engagement metrics.
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Regarding the difficulty not matching the reward, they could scale the difficulty to make it fair. What a 10 & 11 delve are now can replace what a +8 delve and above start at.
This would be a pretty neat solution in my view. That would make certain levels in delves truly brutal.
Tier 11s are of comparable difficulty to mid-high keys. It’s fine if they reward like two gilded per or something, or maybe make it so T11 maps give five. Something like that. Nothing overboard.
This isn’t true and I hate to play devil’s advocate.
An 11 is quite difficult I agree, but it still isn’t quite as difficult as an organized group coordinating in a +8 keystone (I’m using +8 because that’s where gilded crests start).
Stonevault at +8 is harder than any delve across the map at +8 and above. That being said, I still don’t see an issue with delves at 10 / 11 at least giving a few gilded (2-3).
Considering how much I hate M+, it would be nice to be able to get a few Gilded crests from Delves. Not sure about having them drop every run, but it would be nice to have something to compete with M+.