It was in patch 1.12. It's an epic quest chain, which I got about halfway through but never finished before a cataclysm hit the game and turned it into crap. It's the reason for the 45-minute Baron run.
I look forward to actually completing it this time.
In reality, it was only released so late because it just so happen blizzard caught on that aside from the sheer volume of raid content they were producing, there was not much else to do game wise. Their intention was never for raids to be the end all be all of game content so they slapped in a few more (challenging) bosses, loot and updated the gear set.
And no, its not "catch-up" gear. That's really ZG and AQ20 gear for players to get geared up for harder raids(BWL and AQ40)
It should absolutely be in the game sooner than it was canonically.
And no, its not "catch-up" gear. That's really ZG and AQ20 gear for players to get geared up for harder raids(BWL and AQ40)
It should absolutely be in the game sooner than it was canonically.
05/03/2018 01:57 PMPosted by Superfluke05/03/2018 01:18 PMPosted by GildaA9649...
Even if I totally disagree with the OP on his desired implementation I must say it does not make Tier 0 meaningless because T0.5 requires you have T0 items to do the quests and dungeons to get it.
One is a component to get the other.
Ah thank you for that. I was trying to remember what the tier 0 even was. But the process is still foggy, was it a one time quest or was it for every piece? Because I don't remember having to transform the head piece or the chest piece, for example.
It's a truly massive quest chain, involving things like the 45-minute Baron run and going to the Dark Iron Arena in Blackrock Depths and doing something that results in getting a much harder boss fight there than you would otherwise. The very last step is the one that replaces the head and chest pieces, and when you do that, you have the full upgraded set, half of which are rare quality, half of which are epic.
It's good that it's going to be in the game (never finishing it before a Cataclysm hit and it ceased to exist is one of my regrets), and Blizzard's proposed timeline for it is fine, in my opinion. I think the people who want the upgrade quest chain in the game sooner than Blizzard is planning are seriously underestimating how long it will take them to gather their full dungeon sets.
05/03/2018 08:30 AMPosted by Brakobmaadditional con is certain factions are required that were introduced later into the game. Only way I can think to address this is have those available day 1 as well. I really don't see why this has to be a problem either again changing pre-raid BiS I think would be a PRO not a CON.
Cenarian rep has some very strong items if I remember correctly.
why would they release it at launch????? It would completely devalue early gear and make content trivial or useless. wtf are you thinking? All I'm seeing in this thread are the same people who make the argument that LFR is a good thing because they don't have time to play but want the rewards of it.
No matter the argument for or against it, It should be added to the game when 1.10 content hits, simple as that. just like they planned. It's the best way to handle content.
No matter the argument for or against it, It should be added to the game when 1.10 content hits, simple as that. just like they planned. It's the best way to handle content.
11/11/2018 04:34 PMPosted by Antiborealiswhy would they release it at launch????? It would completely devalue early gear and make content trivial or useless.
Apparently diremaul already does that /eyeroll.
You can't just go do 6 dungeons get your tier zero then instantly upgrade it.Theres atleast 5-600g worth of matts, numerous other items to pick up,quests to do and then still other "hard" bosses to do and still more dungeon runs.
It took one of my friends 56 baron runs to get his pants. I really don't think you realise just how much of a time investment this chain represents.
11/11/2018 05:09 PMPosted by Thundathys11/11/2018 04:34 PMPosted by Antiborealiswhy would they release it at launch????? It would completely devalue early gear and make content trivial or useless.
Apparently diremaul already does that /eyeroll.
You can't just go do 6 dungeons get your tier zero then instantly upgrade it.Theres atleast 5-600g worth of matts, numerous other items to pick up,quests to do and then still other "hard" bosses to do and still more dungeon runs.
It took one of my friends 56 baron runs to get his pants. I really don't think you realise just how much of a time investment this chain represents.
Exactly, and that 600g isn't an exaggeration if material costs on your server just happen to be high.
D2 chain should absolutely be available far , FAR sooner than AQ.
11/11/2018 05:30 PMPosted by SaintangerExactly, and that 600g isn't an exaggeration if material costs on your server just happen to be high.
It was worse for my friend, after they'd gotten his legs he spent the next 3 weeks stealth running LBRS for enchanting matts so he could summon one of the twilight elemental lords. That took a stupid amount of attempts and twilight costumes aswell.
11/11/2018 05:30 PMPosted by SaintangerD2 chain should absolutely be available far , FAR sooner than AQ.
The problem is the gear is too strong for initial release, and almost pointless in alot of cases by the time BWL releases so where would it fit in?
Gonna quote myself from another thread. Was replying to a post saying the 0.5 set was designed to be End Game gear for non-raiders.
11/09/2018 06:33 AMPosted by ZonzedeAnd we needed more content like it, earlier. It was released too late to be truly viable non-raider end game. Ideally, with every new major raid, there would have been a Dungeon Quest line for non raiders. D1 upgrades to D2 at the same time as BWL enters, D3 comes as content with AQ and upgrades to D4 on Naxx.
That ship is long sailed. However, with content gating we can make good on it while adhering to #NoChanges.
If the quest released at launch, the feats required to get the latter half of Dungeon 2 is going to be Ridiculous. My guild was not formed of incredible players by any means, but we did manage to clear up to C'thun and make dents in Naxx. Even then many of us found the quest line, the Baron run especially, to be quite challenging. I never personally attempted, as my eyes were on Raid gear.
If my band of "Average+" players found the quest to be difficult in tier 2.5, its going to be Daunting for people before BWL comes out. Yes, the best of us can and would do it, but they were going to make a mockery of vanilla content anyway.
Allow access to this epic quest line at release, or at latest when BWL is unlocked. At worst some folks have shiny blue bracers for their first run. Maybe a belt and gloves. This is a small price to pay for Non-Raiders to have content to work at.
11/11/2018 04:15 PMPosted by Thundathys05/03/2018 08:30 AMPosted by Brakobmaadditional con is certain factions are required that were introduced later into the game. Only way I can think to address this is have those available day 1 as well. I really don't see why this has to be a problem either again changing pre-raid BiS I think would be a PRO not a CON.
Cenarian rep has some very strong items if I remember correctly.
That stuff is all AQ 20 related.
Personally the only issue I'd have with .5 being in earlier is I'd prefer the harder versions of the dungeons be in place. However, based on what they said in the panel it looks like it's going to be all 1.12 everywhere, in which case I'd say go ahead and put them in from the start...
And yeah, those saying it will completely devalue gear really have no clue about how annoying it was to get full D0, let alone do the .5 quests. (My personal bogeyman was the devout gloves at 57 runs).
Those sets were too costly to make, it also took some time and a fair amount of challenge (when they were released), and the stats were underwhelming on most pieces. Blizzard missed the mark with that gear, it should either have better stats, or be easier to make, and all pieces should be purple.
I can't speak on other classes, since I was a Rogue-only player for 99% of vanilla. But as far as Rogues go, you got significantly more AP and more crit but less dodge with the clown suit than you did for dungeon sets 1 and 2.
That's because the clown suit pieces gave straight up 1-2% crit and xxAP as the secondary stats on almost every single piece, but had lower agi, whereas most SC/DM didn't have meaningful secondary stats and used a far, far lower value of Str. than the equivalent AP on the clown suit pieces. So as far as Rogues go, I'm all for it - the stats are worse and it was harder to get than the clown suit.
That's because the clown suit pieces gave straight up 1-2% crit and xxAP as the secondary stats on almost every single piece, but had lower agi, whereas most SC/DM didn't have meaningful secondary stats and used a far, far lower value of Str. than the equivalent AP on the clown suit pieces. So as far as Rogues go, I'm all for it - the stats are worse and it was harder to get than the clown suit.
11/11/2018 08:29 PMPosted by EllilaineThat stuff is all AQ 20 related.
Not true.
Whole bunch of NR patterns and a on use meelee trinket that wasn't bad compared to some TBC trinkets.
Never played when this came in but never had a problem without it.
10/11/2018 08:48 PMPosted by NaryaIt was in patch 1.12. It's an epic quest chain, which I got about halfway through but never finished before a cataclysm hit the game and turned it into crap. It's the reason for the 45-minute Baron run.
I look forward to actually completing it this time.
This is me.
I want both the complete Wildheart and complete Feralheart sets for my druid.
11/12/2018 05:03 AMPosted by Azerothinian10/11/2018 08:48 PMPosted by NaryaIt was in patch 1.12. It's an epic quest chain, which I got about halfway through but never finished before a cataclysm hit the game and turned it into crap. It's the reason for the 45-minute Baron run.
I look forward to actually completing it this time.
This is me.
I want both the complete Wildheart and complete Feralheart sets for my druid.
Well then at this rate, you'll have to wait well over a year + after initial classic release to be even able to start the quest line.
The biggest problem with T0.5 is that if blizzard waits until AQ, there is zero motivation or incentive to do the quest at all. Unless you just want the set to have it.
Its going to be near universally ignored (again!) If they wait that long to release it!
As for the cenarion rep part, just leave out the rep rewards just like the argent dawn at start. Problem solved. It sounds like they'll be using 1.12 silithus anyway from the start without the quests so not a big deal.
11/11/2018 04:01 PMPosted by Narya05/03/2018 01:57 PMPosted by Superfluke...
Ah thank you for that. I was trying to remember what the tier 0 even was. But the process is still foggy, was it a one time quest or was it for every piece? Because I don't remember having to transform the head piece or the chest piece, for example.
It's a truly massive quest chain, involving things like the 45-minute Baron run and going to the Dark Iron Arena in Blackrock Depths and doing something that results in getting a much harder boss fight there than you would otherwise. The very last step is the one that replaces the head and chest pieces, and when you do that, you have the full upgraded set, half of which are rare quality, half of which are epic.
It's good that it's going to be in the game (never finishing it before a Cataclysm hit and it ceased to exist is one of my regrets), and Blizzard's proposed timeline for it is fine, in my opinion. I think the people who want the upgrade quest chain in the game sooner than Blizzard is planning are seriously underestimating how long it will take them to gather their full dungeon sets.
But that is the point many are trying to make. There is no need to time gate it, as the content itself gates it well enough. One tweak they could make would be to only get access to the questline once you are wearing a complete D1 set.
11/11/2018 04:34 PMPosted by Antiborealiswhy would they release it at launch????? It would completely devalue early gear and make content trivial or useless. wtf are you thinking? All I'm seeing in this thread are the same people who make the argument that LFR is a good thing because they don't have time to play but want the rewards of it.
No matter the argument for or against it, It should be added to the game when 1.10 content hits, simple as that. just like they planned. It's the best way to handle content.
Anyone who thinks what you think have clearly never completed a baron 45, if they ever in fact played during vanilla.
11/12/2018 06:23 AMPosted by Brokenwind11/11/2018 04:34 PMPosted by Antiborealiswhy would they release it at launch????? It would completely devalue early gear and make content trivial or useless. wtf are you thinking? All I'm seeing in this thread are the same people who make the argument that LFR is a good thing because they don't have time to play but want the rewards of it.
No matter the argument for or against it, It should be added to the game when 1.10 content hits, simple as that. just like they planned. It's the best way to handle content.
Anyone who thinks what you think have clearly never completed a baron 45, if they ever in fact played during vanilla.
I second this notion.
Too many people have either never played vanilla or spent too much time in private servers where everything is slightly off. Even in private servers late into their content cycles, no one did it then either.
That is the biggest problem. There is no reason to time game the quest because it is a big step up from even the dreaded Ony attunement on their faction side, and when you can even start it (assuming at AQ) its literally pointless considering the cash and effort.
It needs to be released much, much sooner or it will be DoA content.
It needs to be released much, much sooner or it will be DoA content.
I wouldn't say DoA, more niche or brag. Some will do it because they want to "do it all". Some will do it because they can brag about how leet they are while running around town in it (with their T2/2.5/3 from being carried through raids in their bags). Making it available sooner will make it actually somewhat relevant from a raider perspective and actually brag-worthy rather than an almost complete sideshow like it actually was.
That said, I'm also perfectly ok with the "no changes" approach...