Throne of Thunder Item Upgrades

As previously outlined, in the 5.5.3 patch, players can upgrade non-Thunderforged versions of items to have an item-level equivalent to their Thunderforged variant.

Additional Details

The core goal here is to make Thunderforging less of a random experience and to place value in non-Thunderforged items. A byproduct of this system is that players will gain item levels much faster.

The non-random/deterministic item level system has to live alongside a few other systems and changes made to Mists of Pandaria Classic that we feel have been beneficial overall and should be preserved.

Changes

  • Non-Thunderforged items will be upgradeable twice for 3 items level each time, totaling an increase of 6 item levels.
    • These upgrades will cost 250 Valor Points each (500 total).
    • These upgrades will only be available for the first 4 weeks of Throne of Thunder.
    • Beginning with the 5th week (currently scheduled to be January 6, 2026), these will swap over to the current 5.5.1 cost for epic item upgrades (1000 Justice Points each (2000 total)).

With this early phase, our goal is to keep item level gains from trivializing the new content during the progression stages. While some item level gain is okay, we recognize it is the price for a less random system. This also keeps Valor Points relevant early on, keeps item upgrades feeling like a choice against reputation gear early, and keeps Thunderforged gear feeling valuable early on. A Thunderforged item will save you 500 Valor Points to spend somewhere else.

With the later phase, our goal is for non-Thunderforged gear, Justice Points, and Valor Points to be relevant. We’re aiming for Valor Points to be less-gated and frustrating for players who wish to upgrade off-spec or other gear they might choose.

Please Note
Valor Points will reset with the release of the Thunder King patch.

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didn’t read can we get an update on grobb?

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Will celestial gear or valor gear be upgradeable or no?

Will we be able to upgrade tier gear? or no as with original?

would be nice to get clarification on the rep gear, tier sets, and celestial gear since those could not get thunderforged in the original release.

Good questions!

  • Celestial Gear will not be able to be upgraded, as they do not have Thunderforged variants.
  • Tier Gear will not be able to be upgraded, as they do not have Thunderforged variants.
  • Valor/reputation gear from the Shado-Pan Assault will not be able to be upgraded, as they do not have Thunderforged variants.

Only items that have a Thunderforged variant with +6 item levels can have the non-Thunderforged versions upgraded. Our goal here is to make the gap between non-Thunderforged and Thunderforged versions of items more satisfying.

Will LFR level ToT items be added to Celestials?

Also is there any update coming for Grobb? Even if the answer is no, that’s still information we can work with.

I hope you guys decide to allow Celestial Gear to be upgraded because LFR gear was able to Thunderforge…

LFR gear was able to Thunderforge

You sure about that?

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Will we be getting gold for our unused valor, or should we be dumping it before patch?

it usually always get converted to JP than to silver/gold for any over the 4K JP limit.

People still play MoP?

It seems strange not to let tier gear be upgraded. We just saw this tier that y’all allowed it. Is it intended that some classes won’t use tier since alternatives at higher ilvls may be better than some of the weaker tier bonuses?

You were always able to upgrade items, thunderforged or not. It’s what made thunderforged items powerful, they were always higher.

Double upgraded thunderforged gear should always be stronger than double upgraded non thunderforged.

If you want to devalue thunderforged gear, make a valor item to turn a item thunderforged

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What will happen to justice commendations (bought with valor) after the reset? Are we keeping them or will they become unusable on the new patch?

Cata had similar tokens that were bought from the twilight/inferno dungeon currency and when MoP hit they became vendor trash so i’d assume the same thing will happen again