Just delete the concept of the blood oath. If a Warchief goes nuts, kill them. That literally solves all of the problems.
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As a weird note, the Bilgewater remain the ONLY Horde race atm that has never sworn a blood oath lol. Its SUPER weird, we were never forced to do it (I don’t know if this was an oversight on Blizz’s part, but there isn’t any canon content that suggest Gallywix was forced to do anything but set up a Business Arrangement with the Horde).
Psh Goblins don’t make blood oaths, so uncouth. Contracts are far more legally binding.
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I loved Thrall, but I don’t want him back now. Too much has happened. He can’t fix what’s wrong now.
Maybe Go’el can make like his namesake and fly around the world really fast and reverse time.
Did you miss the part where the rebel Horde had the loyalist Horde swear another oath of loyalty?
And my point was that obviously it’s not getting deleted when they literally just had them swear it again as though too much loyalty was the problem.
No they didn’t?
They told me all would be forgiven if I swore an oath to the Horde.
They have sworn an oath of loyalty to the Horde.
I’ve sworn an oath to the Horde.
You were one of many who renounced Sylvanas and swore loyalty to the Horde.
And don’t get pedantic and say that an oath to the Horde and an oath to the Warchief are substantively different, most loyalists followed Sylvanas because they considered those things synonymous anyway.
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The point is that making people who were too loyal swear another oath of loyalty as though that’s a solution to the issue is obviously indicative that nothing has actually changed and said problem will persist in the Horde.
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Veloran. There is no warchief to swear the blood oath to. They’re swearing their loyalty to the Horde. They even directly tell you that.
Read Treng.
I did read. You don’t. The blood oath is an oath to the warchief. There is no warchief. You can’t swear an oath to a warchief that doesn’t exist. They swore loyalty to the Horde.
Don’t know why I’m bothering. You had multiple people providing canon correct examples of your being incorrect in the other thread and you kept arguing in ignorance anyway.
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If you think that the issue is that an oath to the Warchief is a bad thing and you also think that because there isn’t currently a Warchief that’s irrelevant, why were you complaining about it to begin with?
The actual issue is that the loyalists were loyal to the Horde and that Sylvanas, as Warchief, was the director of the Horde’s will. The problem wasn’t that there was an oath sworn specifically to the Warchief, because as we see at Orgrimmar if the Warchief doesn’t represent the Horde the Horde has no loyalty to the Warchief. It doesn’t matter who the oath is sworn to, what’s relevant is that loyalty itself, and that making people swear loyalty to an institution they were already too loyal to to begin with is incredibly stupid.
Why are so incapable of actually understanding an argument?
If you read, you would understand.
We were discussing the issue of having a Warchief vs having a Council. I argued that regardless of our leader’s status being either, if Blizzard wants us to be evil, we will be. Someone contended that Warchief shouldn’t have unlimited power, to which I replied: Well, just delete the Blood Oath and kill them if they go nuts.
The Warchief doesn’t have unlimited power because of the blood oath, they have unlimited power because the Horde has no institutions to check that position, and because as the central leading figure of the Horde, any citizens which simply have loyalty to the Horde in general can only look to the Warchief for institutional military and political leadership.
They have far limited power if you kill them when they act evil.
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Amazing political theory there Treng, it’s not like the Horde has had a civil war multiple times because it’s people have things like “different values” and “opinions about what evil is” and “how far it’s justified to go for the good of the Horde” or anything.
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