Lifebloom alone will handle that with JoL and HS taking care of the rest + whatever splash chain heal is providing.
No penalties? You sure you raided in TBC? That’s a horrible fight for melee.
That fight will be dominated by casters, particularly Warlocks. The immunity to bleeds makes him immune to Blood Frenzy, Rupture, and Rip. He has higher armor than most other bosses, making physical inherently weaker to begin with.
Even if you can sit in and heal through the mechanics, which I’m sure you’ll be able to do, melee is at a significant disadvantage.
Finding one fight where ranged are inconvenienced does not disprove the fact that melee do less DPS.
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Sure… but it isn’t negligible and it is still a melee only penalty on a fight that doesn’t actually favor them.
Surprisingly not that big a deal, the actual problem wtih TBC in 2.4 is the direct nerfs to the the Raid / Dungeon content (excluding components of Kara they actually buffed parts of Kara but it did get nerfed later, I just cant remember if that was pre or post 3.0)
Surprisingly they nerfed some stats that were insanely powerful before 2.4, such as how much haste was needed for what % gain in output.
Also some items got directly nerfed, but its been so long I cant actually remember and would need to ferret out the rogue gear nerf list.
The best possible situation is we get Early raid tuning (excluding bugs), and 2.4 classes giving us more or less an authentic experience. I would hope they do content gate T5 for a couple months even though it did technically launch with T4. In reality T4 was not really a proper raid tier, it was more like Vanilla Dungeon loot / UBRS kinda thing but damn it was good.
We can only hope.
Not a horrible fight for anyone really… There is a reason we called him Lootreaver.
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10 spots
25 spots
What’s important is that neither of these numbers is 40. Your raid comp will have 2-3 paladins (ZERO rets because ret is still T R A S H) for buffs, a 10m raid will have 2 shams, a 25m raid will have 5 shams.
When it comes to fitting another melee into a 10m group, the best you assume is another warrior to put up the new shout. The one melee class that is doomed to not matter and provide zero buffs to the raid is rogues. Rogues without both warglaives are mathematically the least useful fill for any raid spot.
And thank god for that.
I’m not sure the difficulty of downing the boss has much to do with what I said.
Not that any of it is necessary, but if people still wanted to bring their melee toons from Classic to TBC this would get their foot in the door. They wouldn’t be as competitive parse-wise but they’d be sturdy enough not to be the weak link in raids either. This is just a friendly heads-up to people with thoughts of trashing their melee toons or blindly sticking to one spec into BC despite there being plenty of more room for creativity.
You remember 15years ago trying something you had no experience in? nice…
umm ret paladin is viable.
Yes, they can achieve very high amounts of dodge without Evasion. Evasion is used in specific cases. It’s also possible to get a fair amount of Health that will diminish the negative moments when you don’t dodge. I play a rogue tank and I’d be more than happy to answer you questions 
LOL.
Ret paladins don’t suddenly become gods when they walk through the dark portal, ret was bad the entire TBC expansion right up until WOTLK pre-patch.
That’s absolutely not true. We can tell you’ve never played TBC.
Sure, ret isn’t an S tier DPS class but it can definitely hold its own. There’s plenty of math out there about this specific topic if you feel like grounding your opinion in facts.
Just give us Wrath so everyone can go back to complaining about the angry glowing person with a wings being too overpowered.
Melee will be fine. First phase or so will be rough but by Swp theyll be on top again.
Huge disparity between ally and horde. On ally its largely a meme still
I have plenty of experience playing a shaman. Just not tanking, because that is a waste of time and effort for all involved. Are you saying shamans can tank in TBC?
This seeming complexity all sounds, well, complex.
While the hunter with the good (Becky) hair mashes a one button rotation macro and tops the dps charts.
Most Wow (classic) sims use excel… And I saw an excel file the other day that calculated power usage 16 years into the future on an hourly interval, with over 16 million cells…
It being an excel file does not preclude it being complex.
I think the predicted demise of melee is a little shortsighted. Warriors will be competitive on trash dps and that may justify their slot in speed runs. Whatever comp is fastest start to finish will be the one that defines the meta and I’m unconvinced anyone has a solid grasp on what that will be.
Also, who know if the dps meta will remain intact between each raid instance, as it did in Classic. Many guilds will have the ability to switch compositions because of alts.
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