Thoughts on Hardcore, WoW, and the MMO hobby from a fresh 60 HC perspective

Hey, team!

I dinged 60 on Bloodsail Buccaneers yesterday. Before I begin the endgame grind I thought Id share some thoughts I have on the overall experience.

Having not played vanilla WoW since the content was current back in the day, I was getting the itch to try to jump back in. I was interested in its classic version in particular since I had not played retail in a while. I had dismissed some recommended YouTube vids on hardcore WoW because that seemed too “sweaty” (as the kids say) to me, but on a whim I thought I’d give it a shot.

The next couple of months that followed I have experienced some of the most frustrating, surprising, and exhilarating gaming moments in my several decades of playing not just MMOs, but video games as a whole.

Whether its completing an elite quest, escaping certain doom by the skin of my teeth, or watching/helping another player escape THEIR certain death, daily HC WoW is filled with little emergent gaming miracles that I didn’t think were possible in games these days.

Exploring the world in front you, planning your build or your next move in game, and watching your character grow at a pace that allows you to be invested in your character are all things we loved about the original vanilla WoW experience. Its honestly sad that it took a fanmade add-on to bring that magic back to the game.

I wish WoW as well as other modern MMOs would embrace the sort of gameplay that hardcore mode has brought back to the genre. Somewhere along the line, MMORPGs have almost completely abandoned the RPG part of the games.

Having one life forces the player to stop and appreciate almost every aspect of the game. I wish this weren’t the case. I don’t wanna lose my toon and I certainly don’t want to reroll when she does die despite how much fun I had the first time. But its a testament to that experience that I would do so immediately.

I liken it to driving my car. As a real life hardcore life - living individual, I tend to pay attention when I drive or do other immediately irl threatening events. I imagine if I were a vampire and didn’t have such worries, I’d be more sloppy in my day to day activities knowing nothing can really hurt me (outside of the sun and wooden stakes which for this analogy is a perma ban from the devs?).

And its not just bad things in real life that are heightened because we’re mortal. Our trumphs in life are what give perspective to all the bad things we experience. No one is so blessed they shouldn’t appreciate the little wins when they come. Its the same in games.

I’m not some kind of elitist gamer. I have a family and job and life outside of fantasy worlds. But when I do log into said fantasy world, I would like to feel like I am playing the game and the game is not playing me.

I get that many gamers just want to be able to quickly log in and get a quick dopamine hit and move onto to other things in their lives. Mobile gaming is good for that I hear. I personally don’t want that from an MMORPG.

I’m writing from the perspective of someone who watches/reads The Lord of the Rings and still gets chills. I get quite excited when I put on a piece of gear in game that I earned honestly. And sometimes I go to bed thinking about that piece of gear and what itd be like to wear it in real life. I’m a nerd-I cant help it!

Lastly, I should talk about the hardcore community. A lot of people might wonder how you can have a good gaming community when grouping together and trading with one another etc are limited. When my real life gaming friends ask this, I usually tell them, its easier to experience than explain, but I think it comes down to one very simple truth. We’re all in this together.

Just because my neighbor or friends dont live with me irl, doesnt mean I dont miss them when theyre gone. They don’t go to work with me or help me buy groceries or watch my kids etc. But because we share this common life together, I feel a kinship. The same is true for hardcore wow.

This is truly heightened by hardcore content creators. Whether its a stream or youtube video, it feels good to see them experiencing the same game, the same struggles and triumphs that I do. It feels like the early days of WoW and the internet in this regard. I can’t remember the last time I watched any retail wow content. Thats sad to me.

The tl;dr of this post (I would like to think) is; why does it take a hardcore challenge to wring the magic and wonder out of a GOAT game like classic wow? Why did we abandon that sense of exploration and achievement in favor of quick hits and easy wins?

If the answer is simply that the industry has evolved and moved on from these ideals, then Im very happy I get to log on later and continue my hardcore journey!

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Imagine people paying for an expansion and subscription cost only to have one life. If they die it’s game over. For good.

No, thank you.

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I don’t really have any thought on the “HC craze” I think it seems boring because it’s vanilla wow… but if it is fun for some, I’m glad they enjoy it.
I personally have no interest and would need actual pay per hour to play it.

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Totally get that. I wish the things I love about the game mode were available in the game without it being hardcore. Things like no bots, no gdkps are a biggie for me. But I get a greater sense of achievement in a solo self found style, working on professions because its so important to you personally, thinking about quests before I just jump in etc.

Id love to get all of that and it not be hardcore, but thats not how the game was designed.

I think future MMOs should consider not having gold tradeable maybe? Or have currencies that cant be sold from third parties somehow? Im not sure what the answer is, but I hope smarter people than me figure it out!

I’m a solo casual player.

Glad you’re having fun but having only one life and it’s game over for your character is a bad idea and a frustrating one at that.

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If a few people enjoy it, go for it. But hardcore is not for 99% of the wow pop in retail.

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Yeah, Im old and I like old things for sure! Lol!

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I think it’s a good thing that they found something for certain players. It’s why I never really attack classic, because I also know one day… I’ll be that old guy playing games with an old man’s mentality lol

I just wish the streamers would stop doing it, because imho… it is worse than watching paint dry.

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Oh yeah totally! Im happy 99% of players have retail they enjoy. I guess in the end im glad theres something for the 1% of us werdos too!

Convenience and appeal to the lowest common denominator. Same reason people would rather offload their cognitive processes onto a machine learning algorithm than engage their own neurons.

People complain that it takes a long time to form a group and sally forth to an instance?
Here’s a tool that will form your group for you and port you right there.

People complain about not being able to experience the raids without looking for a group that will take them or joining a guild?
Here’s the same tool from before applied to raids with barrel-bottom difficulty.

People don’t like paying money to learn new spell ranks from trainers?
Scrapped, now we just learn them automatically as we level.

People don’t like having to pay class trainers to respec or dual spec?
Baby out with the bathwater, now it’s free as long as you’re in a rested area.

People frustrated by having to be in a rested area to change their talents?
Now it’s just doable everywhere.

People complain that other classes have X when all they have is Y?
Welcome homogenization.

People complain that weapon skill is too much of a grind?
Yeet.

List goes on. Take everything and slap it onto a chart, vertical being game quality and horizontal being each seemingly benign addition, it’d probably come out looking like a massive slide right into the iniquitous state wherein it now resides. Though the amazonian girl monsters and fits are enough to keep me hanging on.

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Oh man really? I find hardcore content pretty compelling. But I suppose thats tantamount to people who watch (insert whatever not so common hobby here) videos. Its fun cause were close to it?

Different people play different games differently for different reasons.

I play games to relax and unwind, not stress myself out more.

If you had fun, that’s great, but at this point with the fad in full swing and everyone talking about it, it feels like we’re getting proselytized to.

“Have you heard the good word about WoW HC Classic?”

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It’s not really the hardcore concept that bothers me… it’s the fact that it is in vanilla wow, I absolutely LOATH vanilla wow.

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Now that is interesting. Re reading my post I guess I can see that. I talk about things that are missing from the game. I can totally see how that reads as “my thing is good, yours sucks”. That wasn’t my intent but that’s exactly how it came out in the end.

I initially wanted to just share my positive feelings about the challenge, but I couldn’t help pooping on the current state of the game. That’s not fair to those who love the current state of the game.

Don’t get me wrong I stand by my viewpoint that micro transactions and general design choices have led to a less desirable product. But I’m not trying to convince anyone to like something they don’t. Isn’t there a name for that sort of thing?

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There was an actual hardcore MMORPG in development, many years ago. Not just permadeath, but also things like how there were no whispers or chat channels, you could only talk to people if they were standing right next to you.

It never released.

I wonder why.

(no I don’t)

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You’ve definitely given this more thought than I have but agree with a lot of it.

Great points!

Devils advocate? Watering down the game to increase subs has allowed the game to prosper for almost two decades allowing me to now play classic hardcore at this point in my life.

(Looking at the bright side)

so its the same as wow except this time when you lag, instead of just losing your connection, you lose everything. yea, next!

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Lol! Yeah it’s definitely not for everyone. Like hardcore Diablo or Path or Exile etc.

Just a different way to play and thinking for players who want that sort of thing.

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yea i love diablo 3 hardcore. i have loss quite a few characters due to lag over the years. but at least with d3, you can have a stock pile of gear in your stash and go from 1 to 70 in like 5 mins lol.

the wow hardcore is definitely not for me.

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Oh man that’s one thing I didn’t think of!

Do you think if they ever have an official HC server there will be a stash?

That would be amazing.

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