Holy Paladins are only OP in BGs when paired up with Warlocks.
They’re much better in TBC due to Holy Shock’s cooldown only being 15 seconds rather than 30 seconds, and having access to more damage-enhancing/utility talents. Regular Holy paladin is better overall in Classic.
The cloth wearing pallys are actually very squishy. If they dont have a bubble up they are very easy to kill.
Shamans are zeus chads
Paladins are beta lightbulbs
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yeah holy paladins are great. priests have gear that gives more bonus healing though. and its 50/50 on the healing charts in raids.
They’re not much of a threat in a 1v1, but in group PvP they can pretty much make a fight unwinnable.
Blizzard really didn’t do a good job with balance in general though. There doesn’t seem to be much consideration for how effective certain abilities are in battleground scenarios.
When you only have a 2-3 second window to make a play before you get completely mobbed by 10 people, BoP and Divine Shield can really imbalance PvP… and 5 minutes isn’t really a long cooldown if you win the engagement because of it.
Though to be fair if I was going to complain about class imbalance, I’d start with Mages. The legacy of Ghost Crawler being a Frost Mage main still haunts us even now.
How they thought a gargantuan aoe snare that enables mages to almost always crit, combined with a slow, and an aoe instant cast that can crit an entire group for 1/3rd of their HP on a 10 second cooldown, combined with potentially two immunities, AND the ability to CC a player who is already in combat from a safe distance with a short cast that has no cooldown for 45 seconds… I mean… holy paladins don’t hold a candle over how broken mages are.
Though I’m sure mages think they’re balanced. Rogues can be OP in the right hands too… not mine of course.
Just remember that the first nerf paladins got was in BC once the alliance had to start fighting them.
Oh BTW back then most devs and other people played alliance, kind of the opposite of what happens today.
Completely incorrect.
They are OP as support when played well for various obvious reasons. Blessing of freedom, cleanse, bubbles, can heal almost forever. It’s not going to ever change since that’s been well known even during vanilla. That’s just in PvP.
PvE they are still pretty OP but they lack a aoe heal and a HoT, so in later content with heavy raid damage they won’t be beating priests most of the time.
Thing about shamans is they get progressively worse the better your prep is and the higher the skill level of your opponent in WSG
While something like bubble scales very well no matter how great your opponent is.
Totems are very easy to deal with in theory. Placing totems correctly and hiding them is very difficult and thought intensive. While I as a paladin am over here dispelling everything in sight and abusing blessing of sacrifice
And although the way buffs are working is protecting shamans from having to face anything near 32 buffs on me. I can still prep quite well with things like nature protection potions and trash buffs. Greatly reducing the usefulness of purge.
At the low end shamans stomp. But the closer u get to ceiling players who are fully prepped. The worse they are next to paladins. Just heal botting in mid is gonna get your average PUG to just fight in mid more not play the game. Paladin shines brighter the less options your opponent gives. No matter how well u play unless u force my bubble out before hand i’m going to have options.
If you want to feel powerful, I’d argue Paladin is probably not the class for you.
They’re not actually all that great at any of the specific roles (healing, dps, tanking) and they tend to be pigeon-holed into healing despite not getting particularly good gear for it. They’ve got fantastic buffs, but you really need to stack Paladins to get the full impact of them and they’re very durable - but you can’t really ‘survive’ your way to victory in most cases.
So while your buddies are going out and doing amazing things solo and in small groups, you’re largely confined to seeing your impact logistically. You know your buffs have an impact, but it’s not particularly satisfying to cast Blessings and calculate their value compared to casting Fireballs.
I’ve been playing ret in retail since wrath, but I’ve happily been leveling as holy in classic. I love that I’m utilizing the strong side of the class. I can’t wait until I heal PvP premades. I love that the healing side is pretty simple, but I have all the utility. I love that I wear plate (well not yet but) and it’s durable.
Not feeling any cast pushback is awesome. Getting mana back from crits makes crits feel twice as good. I can’t wait until I get more crit at 60. Retail people say that classic talent system is boring, but I loved every point I’ve spent into 5% spell crit 5/5 talent. Casting the biggest Holy Light into the Divine Favor buff for the giant and free heal feels great too. I love all the mechanics.
i agree. Loosy is my alt and im getting her to 60 and gonna be some lucky warr’s best pal 
This is incorrect
Paladins are the least hybrid, and are compensated on 1.12 with the best support/heal kit. They are by far the best healers in the game in raid and pvp.
Paladin pvp DPS is terrible. Shaman DPS in pvp is very strong, Both are weak DPS in PvE.
Shaman and paladin tankig are both not viable
So you end up with shaman which can basically only do burst dmg well. Vs a paladin who is a holistic support god…
If you feel more powerful as a shaman you’re doing it wrong
replace that with h pali with mage, and I’ll agree with you 100%
They are OP, but not that far from other healers. IMO all healers are very good in the game.
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true. priests are really good as well. paladins utility is just through the roof
When my brother and I decided to play classic I knew at once I would be a dorf paladin, master race and class in winning pvp team fights.
If only every Paladin could just play Ret/Prot, Holy Paladins are the single biggest force multiplier in all of classic and its a game changer the second you have to face one in a group dynamic, no other spec/class has this effect.
If they have half a brain you cannot CC them due to Blessing of Sacrifice
rank 1 cleanse
Healer with Divine shield
Illumination is the most broken healing talent in WoW history
Blessing of Protection for the Mage/Priest
Blessing of Freedom for Warriors and FCs (cause alliance dont have to use druids)
thats not counting the small utility… in might/wisdom/kings
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You have to wear cloth to heal as paladin , which make them a joke outside bubble. Unless you have nax gear, but if you have nax why would u play bg