supposed to be more needs based? Why can people in mythic maxed out bis roll on lfr gear and still win? AGainst people with heirlooms?
Isn’t the point of need to be who needs it? Its just weird.
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The point of loot is that all who participated have an equal RNG chance of getting loot because “need” is pretty subjective. Personally I think there should only be two options on the loot roll button - need or pass.
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If the gear from LFR wasn’t needable for a higher ilvl person then they’d have no reason to run it, right? Sure they can hit the transmog button but the gear is going to go to someone who needs on it every time…
Bring back personal loot for LFR!
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You mean the maxed out mythic players who say if you do LFR you don’t deserve loot but they come in with their OP gear score and need everything bEcAuSe ItS fOr TrAnSmOg. Need before greed is an old concept now and there is very little respect for it.
At this point in the xpac there is really no reason to do LFR except for quest completion or just to see the content.
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In fairness, it’s nice to have a few of these people in the group who can help carry a fight to completion, after 12 people die to mechanics.
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was some streamer whining about this recently or something? what’s with all the threads on it.
people who participate in the fight are eligible to roll on loot. news at 11.
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This exact nonsense lol.
Not the issue.
Rolling need on things you clearly don’t need when you already have the mythic version.
Rolling need on loot you don’t need has always been frowned on.
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If personal loot returned and that same “overgeared” person was automatically awarded the loot by the game without a roll-mechanism, and then they didn’t hand it over to some undergeared person who “needed” it, would that still be an issue?
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Transmog is a thing, and the only way to get it is to roll need. The geared player contributed just as much to the fight and has just as much right to roll on items as the guy in heirlooms.
The only people I will frown at for rolling need are the ones who roll need then try to sell it to others. that’s despicable behavior.
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You dont know what they need. Maybe they need the mog and odds are they are the ones carrying the fight. Why else would he even be in lfr?
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This mindset is the issue.
Higher ilevel players can’t need on same pieces they have, can’t need on tier they have and can’t need on weapons they have.
They can only roll if they don’t have those pieces. And many are looking for trinkets. Doesn’t matter on the ilevel. Those trinkets may be better.
LFR raiders have so many ways to gear up and get tier that there is zero reason to be complaining here.
The game has rules for who can need. So if they can hit need, it means they hit the criteria to be able to need. Thus, they’re allowed to need.
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this is key, and makes people whining about LFR loot look incredibly petty. LFR is probably the single worst way to gear outside of trinkets.
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Maybe it ought to be, but that’s a different game from the one you are playing. You’re supposed to take the fact that people who don’t need the gear are bidding on it to sell to other players who actually need it to equip, or who will vend it out for gold, as a sign from heaven that instead of doing LFR you’re supposed to immediately start pushing the highest keys and doing mythic raiding. Only then would you deserve gear.
However, since no one will accept an ungeared player like you into a real group to do that content, better buy tokens to pay for carries that the people who bid on that loot are selling.
It’s a win-win. Blizzard makes more money, and you end up feeling so bad about the game that you whip out your credit card or just do RMT transactions so those players who got that loot don’t have to have a real job.
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Loot is for anyone that can roll on it. When doing pug or random content don’t expect anything, just hope for the best.
I did stuff because it was fun to do not for things that drop. That was a philosophy I developed over time.
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I’ve done LFR with undergeared friends and needed on gear to give to them before, as well as for mogs. I’m doing 20% of the entire raid’s total damage, I should be able to roll on stuff too 
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And even then, there are Paracasual trinkets. Not the best, but if these people are only running LFR levels, they’re decent.
Let me explain how I do things. I do LFR still on some characters to add sockets at this point at the end of the week. I will pass on all in LFR . EXCEPT… If I am in a LFR and there is someone in it that either trolls , or does something very ignorant that will cause me to take more damage or even wipe the raid. If this happens and the person is not removed, I start rolling on gear. It is because I have a bigger repair bill. It takes more of my time than it needed to. Time is money they say.
fix it so they don’t get it because they literally dont need it, and you don’t have to worry about the problem.
If somebody can see a 285% upgrade on an item whereas soembody rolling on it has something already better…
sounds like a problem to me.
transmog isnt player power.
roll greed and transmog. those are actually options.
I get them all the time.
I pass on loot all the time because its not enough of an improvement. I recognise that other people play this game and also need gear.
My transmog is the least important thing because if other players never get geared, my groups suffer for it.
More geared players means more damage (lol yeah usually) which means groups go even faster.
ITs a win win to pass on loot you don’t actually need.
The is no scenario where a mythic raider needed a trinket from lfr.
There is no reason for it when they have the same exact piece but better ilvl.
yeah, we can see their gear. They already have the item but mythic raid level.
It happens all the time, why defend it?
I don’t care about their transmog. I care about player power and making sure more people can actually see the content.
Maybe I am not a selfish prig?
wrong.
I see it all the time. I have even done it a few times to see what happens when I have a Heroic level item and get to still roll need on it in lfr.
The system is busted and thats the problem.
already not true as I have done this very thing myself.
And again, its the same item but lower ilvl than the one they have. It happens all the time.
Why do you all keep making excuses for them?
Wait…unless…like most people, you are projecting.
You are likely all the same people who worry more about your mog than making sure people have gear to do damage. IT benefits us all to have more people with better gear.
You never know when you might be sleeping on a good dps who just can’t get geared because dipsticks like you guys keep rolling need on stuff we can all clearly see you don’t need.
yeah, in a perfect system. which we are not playing in, so your point is moot.
not any part of the topic.
The point is people rolling on loot they don’t actually need, taking gear away from people who could have actually equipped it right then and there.
AGain, more player power means your groups get easier.
So you got transmog.
Grats, too bad you are still a greedy little tool.
In this games case, sharing just means you have a bigger pool of people to select from when making a group.
And LFR is not a bad way to gear up at all. I mean 6 of my alts are 424+ and I never set food inside of an actual raid, and they are my alts. My main is like 435 or something.
THey have also never set foot inside of a normal raid.
Kinda funny to see how many people defend the greedy nonsense, likely because they are the ones doing it too lol.
Community is always the problem.
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Sounds like you should be running a pre-made group or guild run if you want specific loot rules.
Otherwise, it’s the dice that decide.
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just because it isn’t player power, doesn’t mean the person doesn’t need it for their collection.
gear comes from more places than LFR.