This xpac cemented itself as SL 2.0

I think it’s been great.

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Modern blizzard, post-lawsuit blizzard, chose to scuff systems, currencies, and the economy mid-SL, and iterate on that along the way to now, making grinds take longer, and be less rewarding, and making it virtually mandatory for any player pushing rank buy a wow token each season.

For that reason, the game is getting worse with each xpac and most, if not all patches.

That makes TWW SL 3.0.

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Gameplay-wise, it’s been one of the best. (The story is a can of worms but that’s not really new nor unique.)

I have loved doing PvP this expansion. It’s actually made me gear up alts which I rarely do.

I’d rate it similar to DF, honestly. It feels like a DF 2.0 more than anything, to me personally.

Loved Undermine as well, easily one of my favorite zones that’s been added in recent memory.

Overall, I’d probably give it a B- or a C+, something in that realm.

I can see people happy with Delves, even though they aren’t much my cup of tea.

Not all content patches were a slam dunk, but some were still very good.

SL would’ve gotten anywhere from a F grade to a D grade, from me. Took a break during that time.

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I don’t feel that way at all. I played all of shadowlands and it would take ages to get anything at all. I feel like this expansion rains loot on me in comparison-- cosmetics too.

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I don’t think you know what either of the stories are. Like the only thing they have in comparison at the moment is a bad guy is helping us beat a bigger bad guy, but that’s it.

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i look at hero talents as covenants but 100x easier however it’s the false idea of customization that gets me
pick this one or be worse.
why even have a choice

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Oh look. Another dramatic thread from you.

So how’s that faceroll Timewalking, eh? Those 5 minute queues as DPS are still happening with five minute dungeon runs. Guess it didn’t die like you claimed.

Kinda like how you just threw out more trolling.

Since this is like the third thread now to pull SL out of the air, I’m betting some streamer made stuff up again.

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That was the basis for sylvanas and zovaal. Sylvanas was a bad guy up until sanctum and then after she turns good. Xal’atath was bad up until now where she’s turning good, to what a shock help the player character and co. in defeating the new big bad.

From a top-down it’s literally the exact same plot with variations.

Denathrius → Ansurek
Sylvanas → Xal’atath
Zovaal → Dimensius

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me.

The enemy of my enemy is my “friend.”

This is temporary because Dimensius is in her way. Or is being used. So are we. Xal isn’t becoming good. :roll_eyes:

And with that, I’m done here.

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So she’s currently an ally aka turning good for the patch.

The player and company are being used obviously, but again this is you literally contradicting your previous statement. She shouldn’t be an ally at all is my point hence why I came to the conclusion it’s the same style of storytelling as SL’s main plot where for some god awful reason the bad guy has to always eventually be an ally for a patch or 2 before going bad again. It’s garbage storytelling and you know this.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Zovaal promised Sylvanas he would fix the afterlife or something, then when she realized the big bad guy was a bad he gave her back a fragment of her soul that wasn’t corrupted by years of undead torture. She then tried to be a good guy again.

Xal’atath is the supposed Harbinger and has her own goals, she puppets others. Dimensius is being reformed by the Dark Heart she wants, so for the third time she is begging the good guys for help.

As you can see these are apprently the exact same story… no wait, that’s not right, the only similarity is we are teaming up with someone with conflict with to take down a greater threat. Would be like saying it’s the exact same story as WC3 for this reason

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Almost like I said in the OP that it feels pretty much the same if not similar to SL in terms of a big antagonist being pushed then randomly being allied with us in the latter half of the xpac. I don’t really mind if you disagree, but to me it’s lazy storytelling and ruins antagonists. I’ve also listed a litany of other issues with this xpac but you hone on this one in particular.

Sorry, I guess I’m supposed to just disagree with everything you say, my apologies.

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You’ve only mentioned this so I don’t know what your stance is outside of the story somehow not being SL tier. Would be interested to hear.

Nope, not even close.

TWW is not even remotely close to Shadowlands. Anyone trying to argue that it is similar is arguing in extremely bad faith.

It’s like comparing a rotten apple to a watermelon, with the rotten apple being Shadowlands, to be clear.

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The story feels similar to me and I haven’t come here to argue it in bad faith.

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I think War Within did what a lot of xpacs have done, introduced a lot of neat ideas, cut a lot of it, focused on Alliance too much, and overall a half decent main story that seems like it’s trying too hard to set up the next xpac story rather than making the current it’s own full meal. I can’t say either way if Metzen was responsible but him saying he wanted to make the World Soul Saga could of been the cause of lack of focus.

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Wrong and you haven’t made it out of the first paragraph. Sylvanas believed Zovaal and thought that the way death worked was basically flawed and she wanted to make things better. She was wrong but then she was only functioning on a part of her soul.

Xal’atath couldn’t care less about anyone but herself.

Zovaal claimed he wanted break the cycle of life and death because it was flawed. What he really wanted was to use the Azeroth World soul to create a new order which he could dominate.

Dimensius is the all devouring. He just wants to destroy everything and turn it into the void.

The two pairs could not be more different.

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One thing I realized while rerunning some of the Shadowlands raids is that the raid zones / environments are way, way better realized than what we’ve gotten since. The level of detail and atmosphere is head and shoulders above anything in DF or TWW(so far).

It really is a shame the company burst into flames internally during that time, that expansion could’ve been great.