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The story of the next patch makes no sense. Not all elves and trolls have a conflict. This is mainly an Amani and Blood Elf issue. There’s no reason, for example, for a Nightborne to have prejudice against a Zandalari troll. It feels like they’re trying to force the stupid “let’s all unite and fight evil” narrative at all costs, even if it doesn’t make sense within the story. There is no reason to unite every type of elf and troll as if they were all peoples locked in the same conflict. It’s like trying to unite China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Korea, and Singapore just because they’re all Asian.

Take the Darkspear trolls, for example. They were always an isolated people who never cared about, or had any interest in, restoring the old troll empires. In fact, they were looked down upon by the other troll tribes because of that. So you can’t even argue that they’d hold a grudge because of the ancient Troll Wars or the Empire of Azshara. Then, the first time they meet elves is during the Third War, when they encounter the Night Elves, and they actually end up fighting together against Archimonde. Nothing specific happens that would make them hate all elves. As for the Blood Elves, the Darkspear meet them within the Horde, and they support them whenever possible, including during the rebellion against Garrosh. Vol’jin himself even says during Cataclysm that the Horde is the Darkspear’s family and that they would never join Zul because of that. So now, all of a sudden, the Darkspear hate every elf and need to “reconcile” with them? Do you see how they create a conflict that never existed just to force this love-and-peace, “let’s all sing around the campfire” narrative?

Or take the Zandalari and the Nightborne. They lived in isolation and had never even met each other. Their first real contact is when the Nightborne leader saves Princess Talanji at the beginning of Battle for Azeroth. And now they suddenly have a historical conflict too?

And i dont even said about the conflict between the troll tribes, which also make this whole “next unite everyone” lore horrible.

Honestly, the whole idea of reuniting all elves was a bad idea from the very beginning. Not every elven people has unresolved conflicts, and the elves aren’t a single race that simply split apart. They’re essentially completely different nations, not like orc or tauren tribes that divided and later reunited. The idea of bringing all elves together is just as ridiculous as trying to unite every East Asian country into a single group. Everything in this game’s lore has been reduced to sentimentality, progressive “woke” culture, and the moral lesson of “See, kids? War is bad. Different races shouldn’t have conflicts in World of WARcraft.” That’s basically what it has become. This is peak millennial writing.

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This absolutely sounds like something the soon-to-be-jobless at Blizzard would have the splendid idea of doing. Like making women into fruit bowls. Oh, the empowerment of it all.

You’re spot-on overall; it’s another very sad case of projecting real-world ideals into the game world. Does anyone expect us to believe that this awful story beat just so happens to coincide with immigration and multiculturalism being such hot button issues in real life? Well, obviously the writers did.

There was a single time this sort of thing worked, and that one time was Onyxia and the elites of Stormwind screwing over the Stonemasons Guild, which of course, led to the VanCleef saga. It was believeable.

What we have with the Elves and Trolls currently? Is is not beliveable. A marked difference, and it’s for all the reasons you’ve stated.

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What conflict between the Zandalari and Nightborne are you referencing that has given way to current day animosity?

The only historical conflict these two groups had occurred over 10,000 years ago when the Kaldorei Empire obliterated the Gurubashi and Amani, and the Highborne made Zandalar sign a peace treaty to stop incursions on land the Night Elves claimed.

Unless I’m missing something, I haven’t seen this be brought up anywhere. Also, if those events can be used against the Nightborne, they can also be used against the Night Elves.

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That’s the point, my friend. They dont have any conflict, but on the next patch blizzard made a reunite trolls and elves quest like if all types of elves and trolls had a historical conflict when they dont have. Zandalari and nightborne, for example, have 0 reasons to hate each other. Tallyssra even saved Talanji on bfa.

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Hey, remember when the Alliance showed up for the first time in Zandalar, tricked the Zandalari army into diverting their forces to Nazmir, only to blow up their entire fleet so they could lay siege to the city, sack the heart of the Zandalari Empire, murder their king within his throne room, and escape with only an injured gnome?

Remember that? Well neither do the Zandalari somehow. Thanks, Blizzard…

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The Nightborne and Zandalari do have historical conflict, it just doesn’t result in current day animosity, nor is it the reason the two races were called to Elder Hagar’s gathering.

If we had to wait for immigration and multiculturalism to stop being an issue before we could make video game stories… we wouldn’t have video game stories.

These aren’t exactly new things.

I like how people think just because they learned about an issue that it is suddenly new.

The original Devs were probably sketching out an Orc invasion of a lily white Azeroth not very long after Reagan was declaring amnesty for immigrants.

That’s the point.

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Did you do the stay awile and listens and talk to the tribes in the cave. The in universe characters feel exactly like this for the most part.

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lol Genuine question:

If Blizzard is introducing an even older common ancestor for Trolls and Elves… who exactly do people think the mysterious mortal stock Neltharion used to create the Dracthyr 20,000 years ago was?

Because those timelines are starting to overlap in a way that’s making me nervous. :joy:

Did you not talk to Talanji at the meeting? She 100% remembers

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Don’t insult your own intelligence, the term ‘hot button’ is the operative one.