This One's Gonna Be a Rant

I agree with a good portion of this. Of course there are things I don’t agree with as well. But on the whole the tone of this message is right on track.

I do have to say →

They are ecstatic to have you buy a token with gold. They make an extra 5 bucks every time someone does.

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You got some of your own math wrong. S4 M0 isn’t equivalent to S3 M10. S4 M0 is equivalent to what S4 M10 would have been if they didn’t rebalance dungeons this season. Factoring that in, along with the larger-than-usual ilvl jump from S3 to S4, where even myth track gear from S3 is only as good as adventurer track gear from S4, an S4 M0 is more equal to something like an S3 +16 or so.

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The game is so terrible that it is beneath you to pay a single dime for it…yet you will continue to put many many hours of your life into it “min-maxing as many characters as you can”? Is that supposed to be some kind of punishment for Blizzard?

You need to spend some time on self-reflection thinking about the impact this game has on your life and mental state.

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I love all the fanboys that have to come to blizz’s defense committing ad hominem to make sure everyone can see how smart they are and how clearly delusional I am.

What I also love is that playing a game that clearly has A LOT of problems doesn’t make someone stupid, or need “self-reflection” for their mental state. Get over yourself.

People that use a product and provide feedback–yes even negative feedback–are how businesses get better. If people that didn’t like even a little bit about a product just decided to never touch it, that product could never be improved upon.

As far as blizz being ecstatic when I buy a token, I would encourage anyone that likes to make that argument on behalf of diminishing the effort of doing so to consider what happens when a person like me stops doing what I’m doing. What happens to me; what happens to the player spending the real world money on the token, giving blizz an extra share, so they can reap the benefits of my effort. What happens to blizzard when there are fewer and fewer token buyers to sate the token sellers, or vice versa.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said this next part…and I’ll likely have to say it over and over: I honestly don’t care whatsoever how successful blizzard is as a company. I don’t care about their ethics, whether they don’t pay their employees enough, or if they had a Bill Cosby room in a hotel (are the people that did vile and despicable sub-humans who deserve a special place in hell? Absolutely!). I’m not a customer of their ethics. I’m a customer of their product, which is a video game.

Is that video game in the best possible condition it could and should be in? Hell no! Is it still enjoyable? Barely…enough for me to continue what I’m doing–which at this point is playing just enough to get tokens in the hopes that blizz gets their crap together one day and figures out how to make a product worthy of their original model.

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Well done, you let everyone know you were going to rant; and you did and were good.

I’m sorry the game is giving you such pains, and I hope you’re able to find a solution that works for you… Even if that means putting it down for a while.

It’s okay to no longer be the target audience, or to grow out of something that doesn’t feel like it’s jiving. It doesn’t mean you’ve wasted your time or anything. So take a break! Don’t feel beholden to this game just because you’ve put a lot of time into it. It’s not going anywhere, and maybe you can return when things feel better.

Point is - if the game is giving you this much frustration, right now? Set it down. It’s fine and encouraged to do that. Cheers, and good luck.

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Sorry to hear.
Or I’m happy for you.

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Sorry you are feeling so sensitive. :joy:

Maybe go for a walk and take some deep breaths. Think about where you are going with your life. :kissing_heart:

No they really dont i just did a few M0s with everyone in group from 485 - 490 doing at least 150k dps and its feels like 17 keys i did when i was doing KSM in S3

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OP has some valid complaints. People can choose to focus on what they think is invalid if they want, but he does raise some reasonable points. As is the case with many critical threads.

Yeah they didn’t communicate well the actual difference there was going to be between S3 and S4. Now people are just making up on the fly what the difficulty “actually is” because, as usual, “anyone below me just isn’t trying.”

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The amount of time it take to kill trash mobs and the boss is about the difficulty of a 17-16 key, but then you gonna have better players that go in and do 300k dps each will say otherwise

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Oh I’m definitely in agreement with you that the changes were poorly communicated and that nobody involved from the devs down to players actually had an accurate idea of what the difference would be. Many people are still underestimating it because they were the types to be doing 20 keys on week 1 or 2 in the past anyhow so many of them have little or nothing to gauge the differences on.

It’s easier than a 20 key, therefore it’s easy, and nobody should have a complaint if they don’t.

That’s not what they said. They said a Season 4 M0 is roughly equivalent to what a Season 4 +10 would have been if they hadn’t revamped the difficulties. Not an old season 3 +10.

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Which is a total unknown because it never existed and therefore we have nothing to base expectations on. Leaving them with a wide window for that difficulty to land in and us with subjective interpretations of what it actually is.

I might have an idea why you’re burned out and angry at everything in the game.

Yes. IMO they are much easier than what a +10 would typically feel like, even with last season having been pretty easy.

And I disagree, which lands us right back at square one, with poorly communicated changes leading to subjective interpretations.

Okay? I’m not sure what response you’d expect to that or what effective communication you think they should have provided that they didn’t.

I’m a pretty casual players who normally takes a month or so to work my way up through low keys before pugging into the 10-12 range. This season on a newer character that started at 424 it was easy to pickup some gear and be into M0 on the first week. :man_shrugging:

It’s been easy to get into M0 the first week for literally ever.

Right but they weren’t designed to be similar to +10s difficulty level forever… which you just said you think they are actually harder than that.