I never said it wasn’t a player issue. It definitely takes away from the premade vs premade fun I used to have though in Classic. I’ve premaded a decent amount with the ally in TBC. Stomp games are boring.
Yes let’s ban the premades and turn the horde 1 hour ques into 3 hours. Its a win win for us Alliance.
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Alliance premades because solo queing sucks. Youd do the same if you didnt have such long queues.
You can still premade even with the queue. The only one that is possible only with instant queues is AV, but every other BG you can full premade regardless of queue time
Not according to the horde.
Hey now, just because they chose the longer line at the shopping mall, it is our fault, and we have to fix it because they made a choice.
We have to even out the lines now somehow, or even better, let them cut into our line because they made a bad decision.
And in return we get nothing!
Best deal ever, we should totally be on board for this!
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We should actually be grateful for the opportunity to help them.
Why horde don’t premade:
#1 Horde pugs are good vs alliance pugs. This one everyone knows.
#2 You’d need to queue weave all 3 WSG/EotS/AB to be efficient with 10 which is fine except
#3 You’d need a full 10 to dedicate several hours without dropping. That’s because inviting someone resets all queues. So the priest has to drop and can’t come back. You invite priest 2 and all queues get reset. making it not efficent.
That’s the answer. Now if i’m just totally wrong and other allies have seen plenty of horde premades say something but I don’t think I am.
There are definitely 3-5 man horde teams in BGs playing together and they often play well. It’s the full premades I don’t see, even 10 stacks.
I really do miss the premade vs premade fights of Classic as I found those to be the best BG games hands down. Too bad I have to go to Retail or pservers or some unknown place to get anything like that again.
That Most Players guy gets quoted a lot! Think he’s related to 9 Out Of 10 Dentists?
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Horde can make premades, so what?
why would that be an argument for anything.
this is not a complaint about alliance premading
this is a complain about having to face premades as a pug
When the game matches ur pug against a premade, it is effectively forcing you to play in a premade, because you do not stand a chance as a pug
While i certainly value the chance of premades, I highly despite that i am forced to play in premades in order to have a chance against enemy premades
Nor when i am in a premade I enjoy or find appealing stomping pugs, its the most cynical feeling ever and no true pvp happens.
Premade vs pug simply can not be a thing.
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You are only forced to play premades because of the queue disparity. Only premades are queueing? That’s all you are gonna face.
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Sometimes I think Blizzard should make an Au Naturale BG option: No gear other than grey/white, no enchants, no profession-made goodies (engineering, jewelcrafting, tailoring, etc), no consumables of any sort. And the Honor gain should be the equivalent of ten regular BGs of that particular type.
Just to see who would do it.
get kekd
But it is and it’s here to stay. You can whine about it or you can join a pre-made.
Player solutions are available. Once again though, players want blizzard to “fix” something that is not a problem.
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Alfred; friend, you beautiful undead rogue.
Gear in raid my friend, then get some stamina and resilience gems and enchants.
IMO when you look at the raw numbers Stamina > Armor > Resilience on defensive stats because because we have cloak of shadows and lots of control; especially in 3’s where I feel resilience is even less impressive because of the team oriented play of our class.
Further, the blue dungeon sets in TBC are worlds better than the blue PvP set because there simply is no way to gem the amount of attack power that comes default on PvE gear; also consider that the stamina and resilience gems and enchants are effectively free when compared to the offensive stats.
Just some considerations. Have a good day.
I keep forgetting that the Horde should have fast queues AND win all the time. Really need to start remembering that rule.
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You can quote an entire message; just not if your reply is directly after it. 
Then what’s the point? 
thats a player skill issue, it has nothing to do with queue times. just because you lose bgs doesnt mean the other faction should have 90x longer queues. and i wish i was exaggerating that number.
But it does mean exactly that