I need to do plaguefall 15 to get one of my BiS trinkets.
I currently do not have a plaguefall key. I would like to pug plaguefall.
I don’t normally push keys, but I do have all 16s completed, which should be enough IO to get invited to pug plaguefall 15 groups.
I proceed to sit in group finder for 30+ minutes queing to multiple plaguefall 15 keys (240 bag ilvl frost mage). None of them take me presumably because they find people who have already pushed keys and have all 17s, 18s completed (higher IO). They ultimately just want to be carried by the best players, which they decide based on the IO number. There is really no incentive to push past 15s if you aren’t a fan of M+, but enough people have pushed past 15 to where they get invited to all the keys and the average 15ers don’t. And that is why raider io is bad for the game.
Why invite someone with only 15s and 16s when you can get people with 17s and 18s? The person who has only 16s is not necessarily a worse player than the person who has all 17s. The person who has only 16s just has not wanted to push keys past 15 because M+ is boring for them.
Raider IO is good for people who haven’t completed 15s because they can see who is good enough to invite to complete the 15s. Where raider IO fails is for the good player who hasn’t pushed beyond 15s. The ones who have pushed beyond 15s will always get invited over them. It’s like dating where the bar is constantly raising. I have to be a key pusher to get invited to all the keys. I don’t like pushing keys, and so therefore I don’t get invited to any keys without waiting 30-60 minutes. When I finally get invited to keys, i’m stuck with players who got carried to their 15 and there is a much higher likelihood of the key failing.
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It’s nothing about controlling how other people play the game. Raider io cuts out players who don’t actively push keys and prevents them from doing other content. It’s just trash design.
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Working as intended. If you want a change to the keystone system, go after that.
Did you stop to think for just a second that most melee classes are also chasing that very same trinket and may have already been full on melee?
Did someone actually pm you and say your rio was too low?
I main a fury warrior and the best way to find high level m+ groups is from a guild or your own key. Do the hard yards and push your own groups and trade keystones at the end until you get a pf, then list it and see how many melee dps apply. Its usually 60+ dps applying for every tank or heals.
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You are posting on a prot Warrior. Lvl it to 60 and go tank.
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so like, more qualified people signed up and were taken before a less qualified person? I’ll make sure to inform bob saget of this atrocity
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What’s your main so I can look and possibly tell you why people don’t invite you
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" * Ta’hsup now spawns at the end of Mythic+ dungeons that are completed before the time limit is reached. He will offer a one-time Keystone exchange to any player whose current Keystone is at or below the level of the dungeon that was recently completed on time. Keystones that are at a higher level than the dungeon that was recently completed on time cannot be traded, including the Keystone that was used to start the run."
if i get this right you can totally get yourself the key you want and work on it to the level you want.
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I’d normally agree with this, but frost mage is heavily reliant on the tank chain pulling and sitting in your blizzard. I’m usually top damage btw.
Nope, every decline is purely the fault of IO, it has nothing to do with the level they have played the game at this far, the group composition, their class balance, or reputation. It’s 100% all IO all the time.
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https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Khrill
They should do a TOP and SD key this week, the lack of a fortified run on both of those is causing them to miss a lot of score.
Maybe they should look and see i’ve done a 16 PF and am more than qualified to do a 15?
So you think they would have magically invited you without raider.io? Hint: They wouldn’t.
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They’re not going to look when the other applicants have full 18s on tyran and fort. You’re missing score and this is exactly where you’re missing it.
Sorry, this is where you lost me.
Why should that get you invited into pug groups?
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What does completing an 18 on tyrannical matter when you’re trying to do a 15 plaguefall on fort?
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Someone who can do an 18 on tyrannical can definitely do a 15 on fort, lol. But the important part is that they have an 18 on fort.
On your frosty, try to get a SD and TOP key this week. On your DK, I’d try to get a DOS key if you can. This will improve your score and make you look more attractive to people who are making groups. Even a 12 would contribute to your score.
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I am genuinely curious how you think your experience would have played out differently if raider IO did not exist, and what evidence you have to support it.
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You don’t have to do it as a 15. End of dungeon loot caps at 236 in 14s, or you can run something lower and upgrade it with valor. Trinkets are cheap to upgrade.
Go help out some lower key folks get their keys done while getting another shot at your trinket.
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