This is the absolute worst PVP Arena has ever been

Shadowlands was better.

The balance is horrible.
You added more CC/Slows/Stuns?? YOU NEED TO REMOVE 90% of them.

There is no reason to play Arena

Account wide MMR is REQUIRED!!!
I’m tried of playing against multiglads at 1300 rating because there is NO Players this season!

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OP is right. At least shadowlands had a participating player pop, they have already ran everyone off, no one playing but the super hardcore and diehard fans now days lol.

Part of this is what happens when they let the ratings sellers take over and run unchecked.

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You aren’t wrong. Snares/roots are out of control.

PS - Poly/Clone needs to be on a 20 sec CD. Spammable CC shouldn’t exist.

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Shadowlands had way more cc lmao

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all the weird snares/roots are pretty obnoxious

why is frost shock 60%? why is defile 90%? why does evoker have a 90% slow?

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Pls end this god forsaken season.

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SL had high participation because BIS pve weapons came from pvp.

the balance wasnt better. In fact balance has never been that good.

The only real difference between then and now is brackets are hard capped so rewards aren’t inflated by high participation. Blizzard is actively suppressing participation that would happen if participation was good.

personally i don’t think the cc changes had a net negative or positive affect. The same amount of cc exists in the game. They reduced one ability but 1 second but gave the class a different dr for 3 more seconds. It seems to me to be net zero change. Was sap/blind/kidney. those 3 got reduced, but they gave every rogue gouge. Similar things happened to most classes.

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All jokes aside, as for the title, BfA says hi (and that is coming from someone who liked BfA).

This is fair. I don’t know about there being a participation problem or if deflated mmr is just due to Blizzard capping mmr. They will never learn that this just kills everyone’s desire to play.

Try to not let seeing glad mounts get into your head, I can assure you that at least half of them are around your skill level, and that depending on the season, they only have a glad mount because they bothered to find a team and push 3s.

Also since those mounts are account wide, try to remember that you might be facing someone trying to learn an alt for the first time, so believe it or not, it can be reasonable for them to be at low mmr, at least while they adjust to learning a new spec.

Whenever I see someone on a glad mount from an inflated season, I assume they are just an average player, and 9/10 times I am right (e.g., otherwise they would be rocking a more prestigious glad mount that required more than rival-duelist skill level to achieve).

Still a fair complaint though if you’re talking about rank 1s doing viewer carries, or dealing with someone doing a boost.

Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn’t care, and even if they did, they wouldn’t care enough to implement account wide mmr, again due to the fact that being 2400+ on one spec doesn’t necessarily make you 2400+ skill level on any/all other specs (e.g., they might pick up new specs quicker/more efficiently, but everyone has to go through at least some learning phase with respect to learning keybinds, talents, spells, etc.).

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Shadow lands gearing system w/ the rating locked upgrades was garbage. The power gap between an alt in full pvp purples, but still rank 1 due to not rating push, was way too extreme and made the game hopeless for the alt in FULL conq gear. Combine that with RBGs being by far the easiest access to upgrades, and the arena ladder was plagued with massive gear mismatches.

and agree on the loss of control effects. it is my current vendetta. They are completely out of hand across the board, especially AOE micro ccs / annoyances. We have like 4 ursols vortex copies for example. Its making battlegrounds completely insufferable, especially for melee. You just stand there getting chain cc’d by 2 second this that and the other coming from players cleaving off CCs. Its just shear ‘heres a cool new ability’ bloat, and the talent trees definitely make it worse. just look at mages right now that somehow have every cc, slow, and annoying thing in the history of mage all at once

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There are no good rewards - there are no people willing to play it. But SL was cruel.

that r/brandnewsentence subreddit would love this

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Yeah pretty much where I’m at. I’d even accept them having a CD if they didn’t break from damage (polymorph anyway).

A lot of the problems are just a side effect of Blizzard homogenizing the classes over the last 15 years. Everyone has an interrupt, a stun, slow, etc. And if you don’t have one baseline, you can probably pick a pvp talent.

Each expansion the devs are given a task; give each class a new ability. The easiest way to give them something new is to give them something they don’t have. 6-7 expansions later, every class has access to tools they shouldn’t.

Don’t forget fear

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when we talk about snares/roots/ccs frost mages alone surpasses all classes from shadowlands

Anyone who misses Shadowlands needs to be thrown into a mental institution.

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I miss shadowlands

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Shadowlands season 2 was the highest individual skill expression version of arena ever

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Incredible.

Everyone asked (in shadowlands btw) for MORE “unpruning” to happen to add more things to the game. This is the result :slight_smile: :upside_down_face:

Fun with friends and sick transmog?? Plus enjoying the game?

Terrible idea. So some 2k warrior who wants to try healing should lose every game because he’s playing a healer? And he should frustrate everyone he ends up playing with?

Getting gladiator in an inflated season and using the mount on an alt doesn’t mean you can’t win a game. Titles and mounts and xp mean nothing for the game that you’re playing, just do your best!

No shot.

Lmao no.

You’re not playing mglads at 1300 man.

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I see this post every season

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