I’m someone that enjoys playing multiple classes I play monk, ret , DH Warrior, lock, mage and dk… and I cannot help but notice what AWFUL state the playstyle/ gameplay feel of Frost currently feels like when compared to how fluid the other melee dps in the game play.
There is no way that blizzard developers play multiple classes because if they did they would notice the inconsistency in gameplay feel right away. Right now Frost feels extremely clunky and just flat out not fun to play, the entire spec is based around all awful RNG procs that when they dont go off sometimes the tank out dps you in damage (ive read other threads about this below). I honestly care less about the numbers though if the spec at least just felt fun the way that ret, monk, DH or warrior feel. These classes the gameplay loop feels fluid and like it all fits together, when i switch to my frost DK the entire experience just feels clunky and not enjoyable at all.
There is a couple of things that need to be either completely scrapped or at least changed so it feels more modern or fluid, killing machine is an outdated system that is holding this spec back, Rime/Howling blast procs are now a complete joke to press the button literally does nothing, this is sad because back in the day this button felt rewarding to proc, it was one of the biggest damage abilities Frost DK had, now it hits for like 200k when i have most of my abilities critting in the millions. The rune system cannot be RNG based, i cant think of any other spec that i play where the resource management is inconsistent like this also.
Please Blizzard consider giving Frost an entire overhaul/ rework like Ret got, it is pathetic that this spec plays this way when compared to your other current melee dps specs. At the very least give us some sign that something is in the works cooking because as the days go by I am more inclined to just flat out delete/quit playing my DK.
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I tried Frost spec at 80 and all i did was die, then die again, and then die some more. Perhaps it was just my unfamiliarity with the spec which could well be but I heard and read many good things about Frost but I went back to Blood spec ., i can stay alive so much easier and maybe it’s just me but i dont feel much of a drop in DPS .And even Blood with its better heal capabilities pales compared to my 80 Ret Paladin , so i DO agree DK’s need some attention., theres just no way you can even begin to compare the survivability of Frost to a Ret Pally who also can generate insane DPS right now with a 4 button rotation.
If you are a fresh 80 and you have no or low crit the spec is going to feel like garbage.
Ret didnt even get a full overhaul or rework. Its largely the same with a few things fixed.
OP, you have 10% crit, you should be double to triple that amount.
If this is about pvp then it needs to be stated, and for some odd reason people would rather pile all their strength into the pillar windows and then complain when it gets shut down than building their character around this happening.
You basically dont have a functional spec if you go full mastery in pvp. No way around it. Not going crit limits too much of the spec making it feel like crap. I mean why go mastery if your burst window is just going to get disarmed? Its like knowing a bridge is going to be closed and still trying to drive across it, to me it makes absolutely no sense of why you would do something knowing its going to be easily countered.
Not really. The RNG matters a lot less than managing your cooldown windows properly. For a while now, DPS DKs have been really weak outside of CDs, with really strong burst. If you’re getting beaten by a tank in a M+ dungeon, it’s not because of RNG, it’s because you didn’t set up/execute your Pillar windows well (or you got forced off track by other factors i.e mob abilities). 45 second CD on Pillar means you can use it super aggressively too.
As far as “feel,” I really think that it would help a LOT if Remorseless Winter replaced D&D for Frost, and had all of the associated benefits with it.
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Hes a pvper with 10% crit. The spec is going to feel awful, especially with a 2h weapon.
Might wanna look me up again in armory Im 630 ilv in Pve with all of my gear having crit and in PVP im also full conquest geared with all of my gear also having crit(full gems and enchants also). Even with all of this the spec still relies heavily on RNG outside of pillar, no other dps spec in the game has their damage spike up and down like this . Also if you done ANY rated content on frost you know that most frost dks right now are going heavy into haste not mastery
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I did look you up when I made my post.
Haste would also be a lower priority than both crit and mastery. The only reason why anyone would go haste is to hit a breakpoint for pillar windows to gain 1 extra Obliterate within the Pillar window if you dont have The Long Winter and that is a pve thing.
Right so if you looked me up and saw how I set up my gear stats (all with crit) and saw my high ILV then why are you saying that im a pvper with 10% crit trying to discredit what im saying?? lol
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/deathknight/frost.
Here you go though this is all the top 50 rated Frost DKs in the world in arena, all of them go full Haste vers in all their gear slots with some crit. The reason is because every 12% of haste is 2 extra oblits in your pillar window. Im not a pro pvper Im just letting you know no one is playing full crit or mastery.
Were getting side tracked here though man lol all im saying is that as Frost dks we shouldn’t have to be forced to dump all of our stats into one secondary stat for the gameplay to function or be optimal that is not good game design which is why it needs an overhaul
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Thats not what it showed. Either you changed your gear after I said it 2 days ago, or the armory didnt update it and now you are trying to say im somehow discredited?
1 Obliterate not 2. Not to mention these top shuffle death knights are going DW for the most part yet are still going haste above the 12% threshold without hitting the second. This should tell people that its not for an extra GCD but getting attacks out quicker or even stacking RI faster for DW specs to get off more Shattering Frost Strikes.
People have been saying this since Legion which is pretty much agreed upon by everyone except for people like Bicepspump saying it was a good thing and seeing you have 5 posts you probably never actually encountered him. But KM isnt just gaining a guaranteed crit anymore its changing the damage type of your filler ability which brings down the baseline damage of the ability.
The spec doesnt need an overhaul though. It needs more ST which means uncoupling aoe damage from single target abilities.
Kind of strange that paladins are not liking ret now and wanting buffs to things like Templars verdict.
Because Kel is either a pathological liar or just looks up so many people that they simply can’t remember the gear of whoever theyre trying to insult in that particular hour.
Just ignore the belligerent ghoulish syphilitic beggar troll. They crave any kind of interaction since they lack a social life. Why else would they pay a sub to do nothing but troll the forum. You can see that they don’t play.
No, thats what the armory showed at the time.
Kind of funny how I live rent free in your head. You are sooooo obsessed its getting kind of embarassing for you. You have won the most toxic forum troll for 2025 and its only been 1 month.
Says the person so obsessed with me. Again I really do think your ex’s have restraining orders against you. You are nuts.
Ah, you know. My Mechagnome is currently shelved.
Can relate to OP.