This doesn't make sense with Shadowpriest

Okay, hear me out. Why is Shadowpriest the only class that damages theirself in order to do damage? Does that make any sense? Shadowword death does damage to you even when it’s free cast. So not only do we damage ourselves in pve, we also damage ourselves in pvp. In what world does that make sense? Not to mention SWD eliminates your power word shield. Someone at Blizzard didn’t think that spell through at all. I’ve played the majority of classes in this game and none of them am i running around damaging myself to do damage…

You have passive leech. Like tons of it. And an absolutely stacked arsenal of defensives.

What’s the stacked aresenal besides power word shield that immediately gets negated by SWD? Everything else is on a massive CD…

Fade, stack fade with another 10% Dr from flash heal self cast, VE which can do disc priest healing for 12 seconds, dispersion, desperate prayer. The priest tree capstone’s too.

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It’s simple: priest is the most archaic class design in the game as it has received essentially zero updates to its capabilities since Legion, while every other class has had their utility, defensive, and CC kits all improved or refined. Priest’s has only gotten worse in every regard.

As for why SWD still does recoil damage when every other comparable ability has either been removed or lost that aspect? Blizzard thinks it’s really super cool when priest is unique in bad ways. It used to deal massive damage to the priest, which was progressively given lower and lower caps until 10.2 when it was changed to its current version and the tier set counted its stacks based on how often you received recoil damage instead of how many times SWD damaged enemies.

The recoil absolutely should be removed with the game’s current design sensibilities. The only world where priest’s current disadvantages make sense is also a world where warlocks use mana for real again, are very inefficient with it, and need to use Life Tap regularly to maintain dps uptime. Or a world where hunters have a deadzone on their ranged attacks. Or a world where shamans have to manage totems constantly. You get the idea.

You’re almost completely correct until you get to Angelic Bulwark. That’s got to be one of the most laughable defensives in both potency and function in the whole game.

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Everything is on a cast timer with the exception of DP which is on a CD…every other class in the game immediately can do damage to one another. Most priest spells are interruptable and then you wait…again, let me stop in the middle of a pvp fight as a SP and try to get off a Flash heal while a melee is in your face eating you alive haha. VE is trash also. Its just like SWP…SWP tickles the pvp opponent and thats all it does.

Idk man when I’m doing keys as disc I’m usually the last alive. 14% verse, 3% disc Dr, fade, flash heal, sitting at 35% Dr just that. Just more buttons. But damn is it there, survivalbility can be cracked.

I don’t get dispersion, but I can add another 60% Dr if I really wanted, and a 3mil bubble and just tank if I needed to. Yeah it’s not one button, more buttons does give more options.

This was explained way better than what I was trying to explain. Hit all the points I didnt mention.

They key statement is “I’m doing keys as disc”. Were talking about shadow priests. Everyone knows disc has good survivablity.

No, shadow has more actually. You have all that, and dispersion. If you die as shadow it’s your fault.

Shadow just has mid damage.

You cant be this serious! Everyone and their brother, baby momma, spouse, etc knows disc has more survivability than shadow.

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If you think dispersion is as good as 2 charges of Pain suppression + barrier, I think there can’t be a common ground for discussion.
At this point you can no longer be taken seriously.

On top of that Disci has instant FH, which is something spriest needs desperately.
Same as pala FoL instant but 6 seconds CD.

Needing to hardcast 10% dr is not the same as instant. Especially with binding heals always applying it to the priest no matter who you heal.

Desperate Prayer
Dispersion
PW Shield

Is that stacked? PW shield only negates half a auto attack…

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And 10-20% Dr in the priest tree, and a death save in priest tree, and passive 3% leech in priest tree, and activated 50% leech in priest tree. You should be using mental fortidude anyway, that shield will stop all death recoil damage.

My guy. I play both specs.

And hell yeah I’ll compare dispersion to pain suppression, ps is an external, spriest can get it too lol. And what auto attacks aren’t one shotting you with 1 mil overkill?

PvP’er here

Our defensives are great and short CD’s make it pretty easy to rotate.

SW:D self damage is awesome. You’re about to break fears, Polys, incaps regularly.

The fade PvP talent allows for quite a bit of counter play.

Doesn’t that require an extreme amount of skill and precision to pull off? Maybe I still need a lot more practice, but I can’t see myself successful in that through the chaos of a pvp fight.

Just press death when you see their cast about to end, or when you see someone who has a short range incap run into range of you.

If you practice it, it does get a lot easier and almost happens instinctively.

Duels VS mages is where I did a lot of my practice. Because the only way they should win that match up i if they can get a good setup starting with poly.

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Definitely is awesome, and takes a ton more skill than anything a rogue can do. Personally I like to use the volley talent that spawns fear pools + the CD reduction on DAscension every time I get hit.

Have no idea how to beat a frost mage though, the comet storms hit harder on my priest than my other characters lol

Because we are insane

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