Thinking of Rerolling 11.1

Any recommendations?

Kinda tired of it always being Frostfire with no true AWC play without massive keybind changes, and bad mechanics like Frostbite existing and procc’ing at the worst times. Frostbite needs to be removed from the game.

So I am down for a reroll. I have over 24,000 hours as Frost mage.

What is a good 2v2 class to pick for 11.1 based on the current notes? I will only play 2v2, looking for a ranged or healer. I heard Marksmen was going to be good in 11.1. I’ve never played healer, only Frost Mage. I guess FM could be similar to locks/boomies/etc.

Let me know who you think will be S-tier to God-tier in 11.1 for rated 2s. Yes, I am Fotm, for the first time ever, because I do not GAF anymore. Also looking for a control CC, setup class, preferably not melee. Would hate Rogue. I also leave for AZ for 6 weeks in Feb 8th, so this FOTM would continue when I got back. Rofl. I despise people like me who Fotm roll, but the state of Frost Mage has left me no choice; even if its Fotm, I just do not have the binds to manage polybreaks, etc., and Frost Mage feels very badly engineered right now.

I guess Marksmen could be cool because you can’t get kicked, just stunned. So I can just aim shot and Rapid Fire to my sorry hearts’ content. Which historically hits Mages out of camo like more than a Glacial does. Unless the Mage is like Rival+ and knows how to mitigate properly.

Thanks,
Buff Spellslinger

Hey! So I’m not a mage main, but it’s one of my alts. I enjoy playing that along with mm, my boomie and my devoker! MM can be a lot of fun.

Okay, did you see the patch notes for marks? How does it feel on 11.1 PTR? What about boomie; does boomie look good in 11.1?

IMO playing mage and then playing any other caster feels like a downgrade. Maybe try a healer.

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I personally haven’t tried them on the PTR, but a lot of the changes I’m seeing makes me excited to try MM a bit more next season. It’s gotten kinda stale over the last 2 xpacs. I think boomie largely will play the same, but there is some QoL changes to the Druid tree. You said you wanted to heal too? Maybe Druid would be a better fit.

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I would agree, which healer looks BiS in 11.1?

Not a fan of Rshaman; its not great in 2s unless you are EU. They are okay in EU and 200 CR higher than US because EU DPS holds CDs for setup/kill. Which is the playstyle I prefer, but I am not going to roll on EU just to play setup style with Rshaman build.

I just started playing disc and it is tons of fun. It’s getting some major changes in 11.1 so verdict is out, but the rework with penance splashing and fast cast smites from three atonements looks fun. That last part may be hard to proc if you only do 2’s without a pet class.

I feel like rdruid 2’s is probably the most fun you could have. Honorable mention evoker, although playing pres felt like i was trying to identify food particles in vomit. The ones that get it seem to really enjoy it.

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Yea, its such a hard choice. Not a fan that if I clone wrong, I screw up my team’s damage if I am a bad cloner. Which is easy to do without druid experience.

But also not a fan; that boomie can get global’d and could be squishy if played wrong. So maybe going Highmountain Tauren or Nightelf or something with more beefyness or outs would be the play here?

Thank you.

Thanks yea, dampening, drinking restalth, and coming out with stuns+clones is extremely fun and annoying for the other team. When I face 3600xp rdruids in 2s, its a night mare landing sheeps or getting CC on them. Occasionally I can sneak one in, but a good rdruid can be annoying.

I was just thinking… have you ever given Evo a shot? Some nice changes coming to sleep walk in 11.1 where you can spam it like sheep. Big damage like a mage. I think healing as pres is really fun to play, plus if you do the Cronowarden hero tree your hover on use is a blink. Anyway, just some more food for thought!

Just saw, 2 days ago they reverted changes in 11.1. Buffing Ice Lance by 20% for Spellslinger, I’ll take Ice Lance damage any day as Spellslinger Frostbolt, but I would have preferred it was Frostbolt damage.

No, I have not; I’ll check them out. thanks.

The Ice Lance damage is super strong for frost mage Spellslinger to climb ladder with, especially when you get to 2300 mmr and start facing DK or Demonlogy or BM and other classes you need instant casts against, like mirroring into Rogue+Mage.

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rdruids can actually heal people and not go oom in 2min now, so with the reworks in 11.1 they’re prob gonna be OP af

Thank you. Is it still some mastery (increased hots) with verse for rdruid in 11.1 or will there be more stacking of pure haste/verse than compared to 11.0.7?

Still mastery, but they’re changing how it works kind of where you get 30% more mastery on your first hot, and the bonus mastery scales down with each additional hot added, so rdruid healing wont have so much of a gcd ramp up before it starts doing anything (ie, currently 1x lifebloom on its own heals for like 20k per tick - basically nothing)

But they’re also changing a ton of other stuff with the class

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-development-notes-class-changes-holy-priest-and-resto-355134
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Thank you. I love dampening and playing with annoying rdruids who run around and stun+clone the other team and they are like invisible for 30% of the game LOL.

I am a prick like that tho lol. It makes up for my 20% afk rate when I play with a good rdruid, because about 10% of the games, ill have the other team /afk because they can’t CC my damn rdruid lol.

Hunter and rogue are always the gods of 2s.

???

Nobody at high rating on either region is playing for pure setup. That playstyle only works vs bad teams.

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What? Rshamans are 200 rating higher in EU. Actually, you are 100% wrong. The best players in the world still manage with /cancelaura on Excess Frost(1), /cancelaura on Excess Fire(2) and /cancelauara Frostfire Empowerment(3). The top teams still play setup comps and purposely do not break CC etc. Frostfire Frost Mage, for instance, purposely runs cancelaura macros.

In EU its more present and always has been since the dawn of Arena. Especially with Shaman teams, who have their dps hold CDs for kill and the shamans trinket for kill, incap or heals. Lmao. You are severely misguided. That is the reason Shaman performs well in EU and not the US and why Shaman is 200CR higher in EU but not for the other classes in that region, who mostly rambo in.

Not having an argument about EU play style with you. Clearly, you do not stick to control format when you should, and that is how this game should be built and played at the highest level. Always. The fact that so many players have abandoned hope of this play style or just ignore it now is seriously concerning. To say it does not exist is flat wrong. Especially if you want to be the best Frostfire Mage in the world. Maybe SS, 3s or rated BGs are the only exception where it does not exist at the highest level. Though Frost Mage 2s, still try very hard to have perfect setups. Luckily, in 11.1 it will be even easier, and they’ve realized they’ve made some mistakes with poly and other CC breaking on small amounts of damage like “Glacial Assault.” You still need to change your spec against like DK to have Splitting Ice and be the Ice Lance version, as healer rarely stacks with DK in 2s, though you still build around setup and control.

Also, the argument that the playstyle only works against bad teams is a complete facade. It’s just harder to achieve in TWW against bad teams because bad teams straight demolish, rambo, and faceroll on the keyboard to pump numbers without even trying. Nearly every comp combo cleaves. To pull off control comps, you have to spec very specifically and keybind very specifically. Hence /cancelauras(123) I mentioned before. You can’t say nobody; yes, a lot fewer people are playing control than we saw in DF, and its less viable than it was in DF. But pushing the top of the ladder as Frostfire Mage will always and should always be done in control format. In 2s, as Frostfire Mage, its just as viable (and actually more viable) as doing it with the non-control version of the spec (no cancelauras). Assuming you have the setup, specs, and bindings available to play setup/control. Though many Frostfire mages do not even bother, and they likely are not getting #1 on the Frostfire Mage 2v2 ladder without setup/control playstyle, binds, UI and macros. It’s doable but very hard with Comet, Ice Lance, and FFB all cleaving like madmen. Though we are in the middle of the button-bloat era right now. Especially as Frostfire Frost Mage, to be the best Frost Mage in the world, you need Supernova 123, Ice Nova 123, cancelaura 123, SS 123, Poly 123, CS 123, DC 123 (without rdruid against curse comps) and not roll shtty ring of fire, shtty ice wall (except against rdruid for tranq), or sh*tty snow drift. The overpowered barrier change with a healer could possibly make glacial+barrier+bomb+snowdrift+ray even a hotter combo when it should not be. Though it would require a special craft or make sure you take damage before you go against non-dot comps as control specs. There are crafts that let you self-sacrifice and take damage when the other player is CC’d in 2s. Most comps dot now days, so you would only switch out the 1% damage to self-craft against comps who are not CC’d or do not store a dot on you. Since the barrier only explodes if it takes damage before expiring.

Basically, what you are saying is actually the opposite for Frost Mage in 2s. Rambo’ing in, doing mass damage, ignoring setup works against low-rated teams (1900-2200) as Frost Mage, not high-rated teams (2400+).

Supernova 123 is an inherently better playstyle when coupled with displacement range from Look again in 11.1+rDruid and dampening. It’s not great as Frostfire. Though Frostfire is a garbage spec, its more viable, but its horribly engineered for ranked 2s. We should not be in with DB to DB+Ring. Mages are not built to play in Melee range. I hate DB + Ring, and I am also highly against Frostbite + Subzero synergizing. As Frostbite screws up kites, other players roots, knockbacks, and more. Having to have WAs and cancelauras just to play at the highest level turns a lot of AWC players off, so they play another version of their class, a different spec/class or hit up Classic Wow.

Glad is not high rating; even rank 1 is not high rating. High rating as control comps are the top types of comps on the ladder that people play who have a clue or two about WoW PvP. They will not get you in the top 5 of the ladder; those are filled with BM Hunter or DK, and the only way you have a chance at that is if you meet another play who plays control well. Which is possible, but you would have to search all expansion to find him. 100%, you can out-comp DK or BM as Frost mage rdruid. As BM or DK does not have the luxury of control. Control comps will get you top for Frost Mage vs. non-control comps for Frost Mage, which can get you EZ Glad or R1 at best. Control Comps, top the ladder as Frostfire Frost Mage, with proper cancelaura macros. It arguably the better option, even though the non-control version, running around mindless, will outperform in some aspects, like against DK. Though assuming you are top of the ladder as Frostfire Mage, you have R1 friends like Rogues or Resto Druids who already play dampen or control comps well.

Historically, that playstyle has always worked and still does. Actually, in every expansion, you could get top Frost Mage with this style; you still can, if you have the binds to accommodate.

The fact they are trying to kill this play style and make people believe it still does not exist should be seriously examined, as its a complete downgrade to the quality of life in PvP.

Not beating the fungames allegations I fear

Wow another edit since I made this post

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No, probably not. Christ.

You type fast Papa.

Seek help.

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