I tried to swap heals this season and play r Druid and disc. Healing isn’t as fun as I remember. I’m thinking I come back to VDH. Are you Vengeance players having fun?
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depends… what end-game content do you play?
M+. I don’t raid at all.
i dps in m+ and don’t think i’ve seen many vdh doing 10s at all… lower keys are fine, the utilities we bring are great fun
Wow that’s crazy. I’ll have to check io. I saw some VDH in mdi but I get it, that’s a very controlled group.
No. Really not. This is the first season I’ve just given up on the class.
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Yeah I was thinkin’ of coming back to this class to. The fantasy of the class is awesome, is vdh and havoc not feeling that great to play? I’m only hitting 10’s and doing heroic raiding
I’ve picked up tanking since tanks in general are hard to find. I’ve tanked many 10s now and I have to say…It’s less stressful than I remember because after being a dps for so long I know the dungeons very well. I’m still learning how to be a GOOD venge tank (bosses will still chew me up and spit out my bones if I’m not careful), but I don’t get many complaints.
Be the change you want to see. Get in there and just tank.
It’s actually still very fun to play. Note how havoc wasn’t added to the Break the Meta list? That’s because despite it being low on the tier list for performance it’s still a VERY popular class to play, for a variety of reasons.
imho its popular cause of fantasy and attachment to wc3, i would know, cause thats me 
right now havoc is in a very sorry state. we have 4 (5 with fel-scarred) dmg amps to stack which breaks easily due to combat movement, how many mobs are pulled, and how long the combat lasts, burst on a 2mins cd, no sustain, weak defensives. for context, i spend about 13-15 GCDs to setup buffs and execute burst phase.
venge tanking is really fun though, we’re squishy but thats a just the fun of it, where kiting is actually part of the tactic to survive
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Thanks, I definitely think VDH is the most fun tank and I miss it. As long as it’s still fun, I’m 100% ok with it not being meta.
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