They said in S2 they plan to do new/update honor talents, heres my ideas for Demonology

Classes Warlock
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Buff

Call Fel Lord:
Change the health scaling of Fel Lord from 30% to 100% of the warlocks HP.
Change the damage done from 5% maximum health to 320% spell power

Call Observer:
Change the health scaling from 10% to 30% of the warlocks HP.
Increase the Observe radius from 20 yards to 40 yards.
Increase the casting range from 0 yards to 20 yards.
Change the damage from 5% maximum health to 100% spell power.

Nether Ward:
No longer able to be purged or spell stolen

Essence Drain Rework:
Drain Life deals 100% more damage, can be cast while moving but now has a 8 second cooldown.

Bane of Fragility Rework:
Your curses also inflict Bane of Fragility on the target, reducing their damage done by 5% and maximum health by 10%.

Remove

Singe Magic:
Merged with Pleasure through Pain and extending the functionality (see below)

Pleasure through Pain:
Merged with Singe Magic and extending the functionality (See Below)

Master Summoner:
Dreadstalkers should be instant baseline

Call Felhunter:
Its 2021 not 2008. Having an interrupt is not a luxury like in wotlk when every class didnā€™t have one. Make this baseline

Replacement Talents

Master Demonologist:
Increase the Health and damage of your Imp, Succubus, Felhunter, and Voidwalker by 50%. Grants the warlock bonus effects while that demon is active

  • Imp: Singe Magic now removes all magical effects and heals the target for 10% of their maximum health over 5 seconds. The Imp also learns how to cast Immolate.

  • Succubus: Deal 20% increased shadow damage and reduce the cast time of Shadowbolt by 0.5 seconds.

  • Felhunter: Call Dreadstalkers summons 2 additional Dreadstalkers 3 seconds after the first pair.

  • Voidwalker: Hand of Guldan is now Instant and deals Chaos damage. Hand of Guldan no longer summons Wild Imps, but instead summon open a Dimensional Rift that summons up to 3 random demons.

Call Dreadlord (Replaces Demonic Tyrant) 1.5 minute cooldown. Instant
Summon a Dreadlord to attack your target for 15 sec. The Dreadlord emits Necrotic Embrace every second, dealing 92% spell power shadowflame damage to nearby enemies and absorbing the next 33% spell power healing received. This effect stacks.

Dark Apotheosis: Instant. 10 sec cooldown toggle.
You imbue yourself with demonic energies, reducing damage taken by 10% and replacing Shadowbolt with Demonic Slash and Implosion with Carrion Swarm

  • Demonic Slash: 3 Charges. 4.5 second recharge time. 15 yard range. Tears at the enemy, causing 39% Shadow damage. Generates 1 Soul Shard

  • Carrion Swarm: 18 second cooldown. Unleash a wave of shadow which deals 140% spell power Shadow damage and knocking back enemies in front of you.

Nightmare (Replaces Fear) 1.5 second cast.
Puts the target to sleep, incapacitating them for 8 seconds. While asleep, their vision is greatly reduced. Any damage taken will awaken the target. Only usable on Humanoids.

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A+ ideas hope blizz uses this as inspiration

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I see you too are a fan of the pre-legion glyph. Bravo. I would actually reroll a warlock if they did this. I loved that glyph. Also old demonology was pretty fun too.

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Well thought out; hope a blizz dev stumbles onto these and appropriates.

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Love the ideas, but want meta back as an actual spec ability, not a pvp talent.

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I hope this gets the attention it deserves, well thought out.

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Honestly love the ideas. They would definitely help a lot. Iā€™d rather see Meta back baseline though. It was such a unique mechanic.

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They give us these abilities and pets still die in seconds.

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Iā€™d love to play Demo for once. And these ideas would make it happen.

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I have 215 item level, and got two shot by a fire mage in arena last night. this is followed by being trained in groups that had melee that constantly had me silenced. Whatever they do, they need to do it fast, cause right now Iā€™m paying money to be miserable. Its so bad it makes my UH DK feel like god mode, and if you go there forum they just as salty as we areā€¦ The sad thing is Iā€™ve played this lock since '04, I donā€™t want to quit my main, but this is just brutalā€¦

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The way i see it, the only way demolock does well in pvp is if you play it absolutely perfectly and have the planets align so the right circumstances happen in your match. Any CC during setup ruins your window, your circle teleport / gateway are your only getaway tools, and all melee specs have the gap closers to combat that. Tyrant can be LoSā€™d instantly ruining a 1.5min CD. Dont get me wrong, i love the spec, i just wish it was more viable in more circumstances other than torghast.

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These are excellent ideas! (Really like Master Demonologist!) Really glad you made this thread so I could keep the post clutter down to a minimum.

I do however want to point out we have 3-4 big problems that Demoā€™s base kit needs addressed by their PvP talents that arenā€™t. Your pitched ideas fix some, but not all of these issues. In order of what I think needs priority fixing is:

  • Lack of Simple Kill Window (Dependency on elaborate Tyrant setup)
  • Vulnerability to Kiting Summons (Pets get ranged LoSā€™d regularly)
  • Weak Downtime Presence
  • Holes in the Kit/Pigeon Hole talents

-Quick Edit: Demo also needs a way to impact Battlegrounds besides mass Doom and Dropping a Tyrant with questionable impact.

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No, they said they would take a ā€˜lookā€™ at honor talents that arenā€™t used as much which means the ā€œpLaY wHaT yoU eNjOyā€ crowd will be playing the bad talents so they donā€™t get changed.
Honestly, I highly doubt blizz touches warlock honor talents much. If they do, with the implementation of curses, we will see more talents involving them, which sucks. They will remove at least 1 or 2 talents we all enjoy or need, as based on their long history of changing stuff that doesnā€™t need changed.

You know, par for what we expect from Blizz.

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Bringing back legion Fel lord alone would do wonders. I look forward to seeing what they plan to do about some of these honor talents

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