I jumped into heroic on this toon, cleared normal last night. She’s was only 422 and I easily full cleared they raid, not a single death. I did it with mostly season 1 gear. I think they made this raid WAY too easy, if you can get AOTC with last seasons gear in a complete pug without discord.
Edit: I put the group together, just invited people who signed up.
how many strats did you contribute to?
Oh it was my raid, I forgot to mention that.
Up the difficulty yourself, try Mythic! 
No one does full clear pug mythic raids though
That’s awesome you’re clearing content! I bet the fact it’s nearing the end of the season helps, too, and those that are playing with you may be overgeared for even heroic - based on raiding and M+ loot.
All that to say that you rocked the raid. That’s awesome. But it may also be worth considering the makeup of your healers and tanks and top DPS.
Sounds like you just identified a challenge!
Keep going you can do it! Even if you just get the first 6 or so, that will probably be more of a challenge in the mythic mode.
I think we can 100% say that there were others in the raid that were much much higher, and what were the criteria for entry, link previous AOTC? item level?
I refuse to believe that a random assortment of appropriately geared people just powered through with zero issues lol
Post the log.
Her 422
Everyone else 441-447 and 10 clears of raid under thier belts.
Sounds about right?
I in-fact did clear heroic and got AotC in S1 gear 2nd week of S2.
I was 426 and it was many many wipes as everyone was same geared and learning.
All you did was get carried.
I mean, you could easily look me up and vire the log couldn’t you? I mean I invited people who knew what to do.
We had 9 people below 430 including someone who was 398 (at the start).
Your thread is the raid needs to be harder…
Its not going to hard when everyones cleared it multiple times and outgear it.
Yes i was exaggerating in my previous post. The point remains.
What did you expect at this point in the season?
Idk, 9 of us were below 430 including someone who was 398.
Its tuned for 424
I don’t think it’s necessary to look up logs and call you out, anyone who has raided through the content you posted about would know that you’re misrepresenting how easy things were in your first post, or at least leaving out certain information in order to strengthen your argument that things are too easy.
If you want to make statements about raid/M+ content being too easy or too hard, you definitely need to expect that people are going to put you under a microscope lol
If the raid is so easy, do mythic.
Yep. Its why mythic was born really.
Raid through out the ages ahd the early-ish clearers. and the people who needed to iron issues out a bit longer.
The average ilvl of your top 10 damage dealers was 444 which is above what you can even earn in heroic raid. I wonder why it felt so easy.
Good news! The next tier will have a 39 item level jump so, the raid will feel harder (at the start). If you start playing when the patch comes out (instead of 4months after when a lot of people are over-geared/experienced), you will have a more challenging time.
the raid came out 3-4 months ago. for people who have run it for that long, the raid is on farm mode. You should be able to run it on heroic with little problem.
the first season raid was overtuned and it was annoying to play through, they went backwards and started this one less so over tuned… They also keep trying to push the bosses to be harder but they get yelled at when its to “hard”… but they have to account for the thousand of addon’s making their game easy as well so its a constant battle… until they removed addons from reading the script. preventing 3rd party systems from being able to tell players were to move, and make it closer to classic style with less abilities but much more deadly and slower combat we won’t get a true challenge.