Another nerf for outlaw. They actually reduced combo point generation. They are effectively changing a fun play style and incorporating more sinister strikes. Good job blizz!
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I just tried the rotation. My god does it feel awful now!
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Yeah this actually totally kills outlaw for me in PvE. Isn’t sub doing pretty much the same or better numbers in M+ and sin is doing much better than outlaw in raids before the nerf anyways?
I have zero clue why they did this. Literally no one asked for this. It’s destroying the flow of the spec entirely.
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Yeah this rotation feels pretty garbage compared to what it was before. Can’t believe they actually went through with this change and thought it would be okay. The spec is literally just slower and less fun.
I don’t think anyone playing outlaw in its’ current state is really wanting to push SS more just to cover a couple repeatedly missed combo points. What’s more, broadsides is pretty much mandatory for it to flow properly again. Imagine that, you can only play the fun version of outlaw for 30 seconds at a time with an RNG dice roll.
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Yep hard swapping to fury warrior, outlaw is dead and unfun now…
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Does no one play rogue anymore? They basically ruined the flow of our most popular PVE spec and we have 4 people in the class forum mentioning it.
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The nerfs werent needed and makes the spec clunky at best and broken at worst. On the bright side, it only took them all day to do it! Pretty efficient, considering it took weeks to gear up for outlaw…
very clunky. idk wth they were thinking. fun literally ruined lol
i had just got the muscle memory down and now its all useless 
is there no rogue that plays at blizzard? they shouldve known this wasnt a good idea.
another flat nerf wouldve been a lot more reasonable compared to completely ruining the playstyle.
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Sub starts to pull even with outlaw on ~4+ target pulls and vastly outperforms it over the 8 target hardcap bladeflurry has, which is why you see it run so often in dungeons like AA. It also has a naturally larger AoE range which makes it easier to cleave targets that are spread out. Outlaw tends to outperform it in low target cleave environments (ie 3 or less).
I’m pretty sure outlaw outperforms sub in raid simply because most bosses tend to be low target cleaves.
You’d be surprised. Go to the class discord and mention that you don’t think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread and they’ll swarm you like a bunch of neckbeard locusts in famine. Was a fast reminder why I always mute the spec discussion channels in those cesspools.
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Its actually pathetic the takes in that discord. One guy was saying “Unlucky, guess you have to think before spending CP now.” Like ??? its not about having to think. Its atrocious how now when you spend FTH, you have to register if you got enough CP to finish, and if you didn’t you have to see if you procced Audacity or not. And when Outlaw GCD is so fast, especially under Adren (or god forbid Adren + Lust), your GCD is rolling so fast you don’t have time to know if you have to press Finisher, Ambush, or SS. All that on top of everything else encounter related you were already thinking about. It feels extremely bad, I hope they revert the change, and if they are so hard pressed about nerfing our damage just nerf the numbers themselves not the class feel
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Nerfing the proc DID reduce the numbers. Quite a bit, actually. Check WCL for last night lmao. Hope you enjoy raiding as assassination because outlaw’s ST output is kinda garbo now.
We are entitled to engagement with the devs. What ´expert´advice did they take to mess up a rotation so badly? This needs to be reversed, asap.
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Yeah boys, welcome to the club.
MM also got destroyed for no reason.
it wasn’t even a top spec in raid and was falling behind quick as gear was coming.
It sucks because MM was my main and OL was my alt for this expac.
Im out…
Good. Welcome to being a normal class.
Sorry, but also not sorry… Outlaw has been the best spec of the three for far too long. It needs a taste of being bottom. Not that it isn’t still the best of the three.
PILE ON THE OUTLAW NERFS BLIZZ!
Outlaw wasn’t even #1 on the charts for the last 3 weeks bro.
and sub was literally right behind it as #2 when it was.
Haters gon hate
They were #1 for all of Shadowlands. I’m not talking about 3 weeks or even the whole couple months the xpac has been out. They are doing extremely well and are still top 2 in raid and #1 in M+.
Time for them to be below all other specs, not just the Rogue specs.
pretty sure that was surv hunter.
They were not top 2 in SL (if thats what you’re saying) please go back to wowhead and look up the parses.
this was surv hunter, please watch MDI.
Hatred seethes in different forms.
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Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
Out of the 3 Rogue specs, in SL they were #1 the entire xpac.
Out of the 3 Rogue specs currently they are #2 in Raid and #1 in M+.
I only mentioned other specs in my last sentence because they have always been above the other 2. Sub only recently started doing better in Raid.