I was annoyed with rogue one shotting, but the more I think about it and watch some other videos, they were fine. The real problem was every other class couldn’t do that. Stoopz said in his recent video that Blizzard needs to buff bad classes instead of nerfing good classes. And if we kept calling for nerfs on good classes, eventually everyone will be nerfed then only a select few classes would be good and no one else. We all love the fast paced gameplay, the only problem is we can’t keep up with it because your class can’t do what a rogue does. So, I think they should’ve not nerfed MM, Rogue and Ret but rather buffed classes like Boomkin, Mage, windwalker, etc so that they could do that big damage too.
So stop complaining or you’ll turn this pvp season into bfa again.
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People on this forum need to Google what a “strawman argument” is, because according to them, your only options are dying in a cheap shot through defensives or BFA 20 minute games
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Imagine the level of gaslighting to be made to believe that the problem with subtlety’s one-shots is that everyone wasn’t able to do them.
No, mate, the problem was the one-shotting. If everyone was deleting everyone else like subtlety, we’d be playing an FPS.
Damage can remain high without one-shotting with a castsequence macro.
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Exactly. I just really think that buffing these lower classes then waiting for raid and season 1 to give us more gear and then nobody will get one shot in a stun…
I’m sorry but “Don’t nerf the few outliers that can 100-0 someone solo in a second, buff literally every other spec in the game so they can do the same thing” is the dumbest argument that I keep seeing pop up.
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Because your not looking into the future. Yes, it may benefit you now, but then you say “Well nerf this spec, and this spec, oh and this spec.” and before you now it, we have 20 minute dampening games were only 3 classes are good out of all classes. No, they should be BARELY nerfed then we just wait till we get higher health and vers and buff bad classes and everyone is fine. We keep the fast paced gameplay while also making so other classes can actually play the game because most can’t.
And if you’re not convinced, watch Stoopz’s video. He explains it very well and he is a very good pvper.
Its because they listen to streamers like they are gods.
Slight nerfs to one shots, that were 1 shots on beta too, is not going to cause 20 min dampening games.
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Definitely the only two possibilities
Continue complaining and you all are gonna regret it. Then it’s gonna turn into, “Man, shadowland sucked with pvp!” and that isn’t Blizzard’s fault, it’s your’s.
Yep, I don’t know why we can’t have something in the middle?
Have you noticed that the people advocating for this 1 shot meta, the streamers that is, like Stoopz.
Are also Mythic raiders, who will have a VAST gear disparity against pure PVP players.
Who wouldn’t want their 1 shot reign to continue. Or complain about scaling so that their PVE gear reigns supreme.
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Killing people pressing a single button is not good pvp nor are fights that go on forever. There needs to be space for play/counterplay that makes a difference.
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If getting high renown is such a huge defensive boost and it’s going to throw balance from one end of the spectrum all the way into deep dampening, then it’s awful design with 0 foresight as to how things are going to play out.
“Wait 3 months until the season is wrapping up, people have renown 30, all their defensive conduits, etc.” is unacceptable when the current state of PvP is what it is.
The only acceptable solution is small, but frequent tweaks as things unfold.
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So what you’re saying is you want casuals to do what they want even if they put no time into gearing. Yeah, no thanks. You’re advocating for scaling…
And Oozo.
But I said, I don’t like that BUT that will change! It is because we have very little versatility and health right now. Look at the people who played beta shadowlands, it was very different. This is just because we are all very undergeared
Keyboard turning backpedaling mythic raider shouldn’t oneshot someone who only does PVP even if that person doesn’t push rating
Skill should matter in PVP more than gear.
The only people that are saying otherwise, are bad players that want to 1 shot other people for slaying dragons.
The perfect system, in my eyes would be the one of old. With a PVP stat, and Conquest Gear.
Wraths system, was P good, Mops was Perfect, Wods was acceptable, Legions was Acceptable, BFAs was acceptable, this whats happening now, is terrible.
I was able to get the frenzied regen conduit on my boomkin. Procs in any form at 40% hp, once every like 90 seconds? something. Here goes a typical rogue encounter: trinketing the first cheapshot, immediately bark skinning and going bear, having that conduit proc, then using my normal regen, (so yes, TWO frenzied regens) followed by kyrian vial while still being in bear, and still dying is an acceptable amount of damage? oh and if they somehow don’t manage to kill you in that first one, hey, your whole team has already trinketed to keep you alive, here comes the blind and 30 seconds later, they can do that burst window again. Pull your head out, the numbers need to be adjusted, Period.
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But I don’t want some random running into pvp and winning even though they haven’t geared up and I have. An mmo is about gearing up and progressing your character. There SHOULDN"T be scaling as it ruins the achievement of getting good gear…
And thats fine, and makes sense.
Like I said MOP gearing was perfect balance, of achieving gear and Equal PVP.
I’m confused then, you want the nerfs or don’t?