These changes are good for the game

There is no world where “bloated classes also need addons and weakauras tacked on top in order to play at even a decent level” is healthy for the game.

This has needed to happen for a loooong time. The irony is, most of the people complaining that their spec is getting easier aren’t even playing it right in the first place.

Besides, complexity will get reintroduced, this isn’t going to be permanent. Pruning xpacs are always followed by xpacs that give us more stuff. Hopefully now though the new stuff will be transparent in how it works. Their main goal appears to be removing all the secret under the hood interactions in classes that have to be learned about in a 3rd party site guide instead of through playing the class in game.

Now, it’s WoW, so it won’t be perfect ofc. I’m expecting lots of pain points. But all the whining has got to stop as It’s pointless. The game NEEDS to be newer player friendly to combat the ever declining raiding population. People quit games all the time for various different reasons and for years WoW has failed to replenish those numbers in a meaningful way. If you’ve ever recruited for mythic raiding you know this pain.

People forget they aren’t planning on making raiding easier, just accounting for the lack of combat addons. The difficulty in the game will still be there. And honestly i’m predicting the first tier is going to be MUCH harder than what we are currently playing. A lot of addon dependent players are going to be unable to clear mythic content next tier, mark my words.

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The same people mad about the changes are the same ones mad they wont be told by DBM to move or jump.

Makes no sense. They want complexity, yet do everything in their power to dumb the game down themselves…

By removing these “get out the fire dumdum” addons AND simplifying the classes A TAD, the net effect is going to be good for the game.

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Right. I’ll put note in your eyes that whining is not constructive criticism.

This right here.

I mean by it’s very definition whining is not constructive criticism. If it looks like constructive criticism and it smells like constructive criticism and it sounds like constructive criticism then it’s actually constructive criticism. Whining, however, looks very different. :+1:t3:

Bait post #213 since the deep dive :rofl:

Nj op

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In a world that is changing radically, people who play nostalgic video games don’t want change, and that is where many of the complaints come from. I suggest rolling classes back to vanilla levels, but Blizzard can’t do that, so they have to try and prune, or it will just be a mess for new players. They want new blood here. Us old players can only buy so many 90 dollar AH mounts, they need fresh people. But again, nostalgia is a very powerful drug. People don’t like change in video games, even if it is good change, which for Blizzard devs is often not so good.

There is no such thing. Talents exist to give varied ways of playing for varied types of content.

And how would you know that most of these people aren’t playing the way you want them to?

You got a crystal ball somewhere?

No one is “whining.” They’re discussing what they like or dislike. And you don’t get to tell people what to do.

And there’s zero guarantee they’ll get new players with this change.

You and that crystal ball again. :roll_eyes:

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Well that’s just false. I’m extremely unhappy with some things that have been removed or gutted. I don’t use DBM.

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The depth and nuance of WoW is a feature, not a bug. This entire philosophy is wrong.

There is room for streamlining specs that have orders of magnitude more spinning plates to manage, but this pruning makes the last pruning, which itself was a drunken chainsaw massacre through the spellbooks, look like nothing.

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OK I was overzealous in my statement, I will admit. Not everyone is like that.

But a good amount are.

And quite frankly, many are frustrated overall about a bunch of stuff, and its piling up. Thats why Ive been skimming announcements, focusing on things I know I will like.

I think this is where we need to stop generalizing, stereotyping, blaming certain groups, etc.

This type of conversation only devolves and belittles others.

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Yes, you are 100% correct.

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Then you have to take in account for your fellow players what they don’t like.

If you have any pals that end up not liking these changes, you run the risk that they’ll find something else to play.

You won’t be able to play with them as much.
Blizzard will lose sub money.
Everyone loses.

I’m losing so many abilities. Scorch and Phoenix Flames to start. What’ll replace them?

Honestly I’ll consider it a massive W if all these supposed tryhard “cE rAiDeR eLiTeS” which this being the straw that breaks their back actually sticks to the plan to leave “for good”.

Trash taking itself out is a very nice thing especially if they take their ilk with them. Hope they go enjoy Wildstar that game made for hardcores by hardcores. I hear it is doing so great these days

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Theory, but your not gonna like it…

Borrowed power cantrip items, more than likely.

I get that we’re all frustrated on one level or another with something coming to the expansion or not. But we need to direct that at Blizzard, not each other. :dracthyr_heart:

Case in point right here…

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As a raid leader who has raiders who won’t move no matter who tells them to (DBM or me) i’m looking forward to the changes

I will rage quit this game if they put another borrowed power system into this game. The mini ones were annoying enough this expansion.

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Perhaps.

Did you know Frost Mages are losing an iconic spell buff that is Icy Veins?

Again… what’ll replace it?

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