even more people care only about the gear now than they did back then, so even less people will continue to try and progress through naxx for glory.
prepping for the next expansion is leveling alts and farming gold.
you admit most people don’t clear Naxx, but say that we need TBC so the people who cleared Naxx and quit come back. but most people will be progressing through classic raids for years attempting content that is a challenging level to them.
it doesn’t make sense to throw away everyones progress to start everyone over at entry level raids for months, that’s not even likely to bring back the few people who quit after clearing naxx anyway because there’s no challenge for them
Or play the game for itself, rather than just to flaunt your name and guild tag on some leaderboard.
Get experimental, try to make different builds work, free from the pressure of racing for something. Try playing it like an actual RPG; yeah it’s fun to stomp through it using the most powerful builds the first playthrough or two, but have you ever gone back in a game and tried new things? For example, it’s obvious a high wisdom sith lord with force storm is way overpowered in KotOR2, yet here I am on my most recent playthrough playing a jedi consular that only uses blaster pistols - it’s pretty weak, but in that weakness arises new challenges and puzzles to work out, hence new gameplay.
There’s no point in farming gear now if the outlook is just “well TBC’s gonna come and wipe the slate clean anyways.” Shoot, I hope it doesn’t come, and P6 stews for at least a good year or 2 before they decide what’s best for the Classic WoW audience.
They already capitalized on the competitive audience with every expansion, more and more with each expansion via fine-tuning of classes and content. Let this one capitalize on the smaller audience that was ostracized by the latter.
They said in an interview that Classic was hard because they had to port everything into the new engine that was created for TBC. They said that TBC would be a walk in the park in comparison.
There were no popular Vanilla pservers prior to 2014. The pserver scene was almost entirely dominated by WotLK (and to a lesser degree TBC) for most of 2012-2016 with AT.
Even during the 2014-2018 period where Vanilla came back in the spotlight, TBC & WotLK servers were as popular or more.
And one thing that nobody here mentions is that the average Vanilla server died off within a year, while TBC / WotLK usually survive for many years simply because there’s a not insignificant demand for Arenas.
with only raids being released and ab in phase 5 classic wow doesnt have 1 year left.most of the casuals are gone with only rank grinders and one night a week raid log in raiders left.vanilla wow was always a shallow game.
they need to announce classic tbc much sooner then planned.
Dude… even if there is only 1 year left of Classic and they shut down the servers (this is unlikely), I am still having a TON of fun with my friends in 2 guilds on 2 factions…
Seriously I have not had this much fun in WoW in ages and IMO the 40 player raid experience is actually better than I remember it.
I understand the logistics (blizzard side) of nerfing it to 25 players but IMO this was a mistake seeing just how damn easy it is to get 40 players together and raid.
Raiding is fun, it was before and it is again and the alleged “biggest raid boss is the 40 man roster” yeah… not true at all man.
Given this realization Blizzard stands to learn a lot from Classic.
40 man raid size is amazing.
Classic World content is actually really damn good.
The classic leveling experience (if you level in the world) is really damn good.
The pace of character leveling in Classic is really damn good.
Silly abilities that are very situational like eyes of the beast are fun, even if useless in most situations.
Button bloat was a BS myth and not all abilities need be “rotational”.
hyper focusing classes on single things like DPS, Tanking, Healing is fine if that’s your desire as the player but it should never be forced by the game developer.
Many varied stats and mechanics for class build interaction are FUN and make for a good game even if it does get complicated.
You do not need to re-invent the wheel every expansion, this only alienates your playerbase.
Nah, at least two years. The smart play would be to use remastered xpacs to prop up WoW subs during the second half of the retail cycle like Classic did. So Q3-Q4 in 2021 would be logical for a BC remaster. But we are in the New Blizzard era so who knows.
There is a ton of people who would pay for it and play It.
There are a large number of people who played classic during the rush and stopped playing because they didn’t like the pace, pvp honor grind, p2, or being felt pressured to play only one spec. Tbc addresses many of these concerns.
It would be a huge sub boost for blizzard when classic and retail are in content lulls. They could use this as a way to maintain revenue while they are making new content for retail. And they can always start fresh servers as a way boost subs as many ppl enjoy the fresh start.
It’s just money being left on the table for blizzard if they don’t do it. They aren’t concerned with fracturing player bases, retail has already done that. They are more concerned with keeping investors happy.
All what work? Its piss easy. They already said as much at the last Blizzcon (that the process of getting Classic working made any potential BC and LK servers MUCH easier and quicker)
Yeah, i see them understanding that there are people who will play all three or four versions of the game. That there are people who are currently NOT playing Classic that WOULD play TBC or LK.
They can basically implement TBC and LK for almost no cost. Its free money.
except they didnt? If you were fully Naxx geared, you could hit 70 having replaced nothing, and stepped straight into, and cleared, Kara.
I myself ground out the HWL armor set and weapons (once the new Honor system dropped into the 2.0 patch) and didn’t replace any of them until i started doing Heroic 5-mans. And those werent nearly as good as Naxx gear, other than the weapon.
Thats a people problem, since, again, if you were fully T6/Sunwell geared, you could step into and clear Naxx 10 without having replaced a single item from leveling (IIRC correctly, the bleeding edge guilds did just that and had cleared Naxx 10 and 25 within like what… 72 hours of launch?)
Retail’s gear cycle != TBC or Wrath’s gear cycle.
In the retail game, sure.
In TBC and LK? No.
People try to cite TBC as “the start of catch up gear” but this is bunk. There were TWO items you could get that were Sunwell iLevel from badges. They both cost a CRAPLOAD of badges (you’d have to do each Heroic every day for about a week, or two weeks of just doing the faster ones). Similarly, there were only three badge items available that were T5 iLevel, and one of them overlapped with one of the T6/Sunwell iLevel pieces, so basicaly only two. The rest were all Kara iLevel. And if you wanted to grind a full set of badge gear, GFL with that. It could take you months.
It got SLIGHTLY better in LK, where they did add the Heroic 5-mans to ToC and ICC that had “Catch up gear” - but it was significantly behind the raids (230s vs 250s for ICC10) It basically allowed you to do the PREVIOUS raid, not the current one.
Badge gear, again, only got you about two items of current-iLevel relevance.
Still work whether its easy or not. They would have to spend money maintaining Classic AND BC servers and we all know they don’t want to do that. The thing is they will NOT make separate servers for each xpac. If you think they wanna spend more money doing all that then you’re out of your mind.
I never said we need TBC. I meant that if TBC doesn’t come out for a while, and some people quit because they’ve already cleared Naxx, it’s no big deal, because those people will come back whenever TBC does come out.
I started on p1999 the day it launched in 2009, and played seriously up until classic wow was launched.
Had a 60 epic Warrior, 60 Paladin, 60 Ranger, 60 Rogue, 60 Monk, 60 Shaman and 60 Enchanter. I absolutely loved the velious expansion and I played p1999 for almost a full decade. When a games fun, it’s ageless.
Also a p99er with many many characters. I imagine once this character has full tier 2.5 from AQ i will focus on an alt and play this guy whenever i want to pvp, which will more than likely be long after Naxx is out.