There's a reason they call it LFR

[Biggieskulls-malganis]

That was my favorite boss because I knew how to do it lol.

LFR is the real difficulty!

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@Abäddón-area-52

Maybe your class isn’t, but Enhancement shaman is stupidly bloated

This isn’t the only class I play.
The spec that can honestly say bloat is an issue is brewmaster.

@Abäddón-area-52

bloated. The main DPS rotation is 10-12 keybinds, that doesn’t include regularly used utility, interrupts/CC, or defensive. Include those and at a minimum you have 16-20 keybinds.

I had 97 in Cata. 16-20 is nothing.

@Abäddón-area-52

On top of that it’s melee

Which is hands down easier than range.

@Abäddón-area-52

rotation is more of a priority whackamole system so you need to pay attention to what’s up, what proc’d(at least 4 to monitor), and what’s coming off cooldown all while dodging swirlies and paying attention to what mechanics are about to happen. It makes complicated fights completely unenjoyable because you can’t concentrate on mechanics or your rotation leaving you to either get hit by stuff or do low damage, neither of which feels good.

If you can’t handle it then I suggest playing ret or bm.

@Abäddón-area-52

It’s not classic players wanting braindead gameplay, it’s average players wanting enjoyable gameplay

Enjoyable is subjective. However the only players I see complaining about bloat are not good players.

@Abäddón-area-52

Personally, I think staring at buttons waiting for them to be off cooldown or proc isn’t engaging gameplay so

Well considering no one that’s good actually stares at their buttons during gameplay I’ll let that speak for itself.

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@Shevanel-crusader-strike

Hit the nail on the head. Which is why I NOPED away from my Outlaw Rogue even though I love the fantasy and most things about it.

Ever consider that you’re not an average player?

[Lilithia-nagrand (Lilithia)]

Why didn’t you just say LFR stands for Looking for Rainbows

[Rita-velen]

I think blizz devs and most m+/raid-focused players don’t really understand the LFR playerbase.

Pulling out a random log:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XTb3r7BFCPchy8Y9#fight=23&type=damage-done&translate=true

First of all, the tank is number 1 damage, and the second tank is number 5 damage, only 3 dps are doing above 100k. Two healers are doing 30k hps, and two of the dps died 30 seconds in after peaking at 40k dps. One of the dps didn’t cast any spell the first minute so I think they were in the bathroom or something. The average item level of the group is 480. Notice that there are 25 people in the log but only 22 entries for damage done, which means 3 people were literally afk.

According to this log, Blizz should design LFR around 22 people (yes I know there are 25), 8 of them not active for more than 1/5 of the fight, sometimes wearing cloth pieces as a plate wearer, sometimes running a 1h weapon with no offhand, who use an active trinket 0 times in the fight, don’t know their rotation and are running randomly chosen talents, and half of the players doing 26 casts per minute or less. With 3 out of 25 players having a food buff, and nobody using a single potion or healthstone the entire fight despite having a warlock in the group.

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@Snozex-area-52

Ever consider that you’re not an average player?

Most people are completely unaware at how bad they actually are.

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@Merpish-area-52

Most people are completely unaware at how bad they actually are

It affects everyone. I thought I was a lot better than what I actually was till recently.

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@Rita-velen

According to this log, Blizz should design LFR around 22 people (yes I know there are 25), 8 of them not active for more than 1/5 of the fight, sometimes wearing cloth pieces as a plate wearer, sometimes running a 1h weapon with no offhand, who use an active trinket 0 times in the fight, don’t know their rotation and are running randomly chosen talents, and half of the players doing 26 casts per minute or less. With 3 out of 25 players having a food buff, and nobody using a single potion or healthstone the entire fight despite having a warlock in the group.

Yet they still killed the boss so I’m not seeing any issue. If people this bad can still kill the boss it’s fine as is.

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Rita-velen

According to this log, Blizz should design LFR around 22 people (yes I know there are 25), 8 of them not active for more than 1/5 of the fight, sometimes wearing cloth pieces as a plate wearer, sometimes running a 1h weapon with no offhand, who use an active trinket 0 times in the fight, don’t know their rotation and are running randomly chosen talents, and half of the players doing 26 casts per minute or less. With 3 out of 25 players having a food buff, and nobody using a single potion or healthstone the entire fight despite having a warlock in the group.

Where’s the problem?

I’m not seeing anything that 10 stacks of determination can’t fix here.

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@Myzrym-area-52

I’m not seeing anything that 10 stacks of determination can’t fix here.

Tbh they killed the boss and determination wasn’t even needed.

[Forumsnoz-area-52]

+1 op

@Umu-skywall

there is a reason it’s LFR and people should treat it as such.