There is a common misconception that there is widespread abuse with vote to kick, vote to kick cannot be abused. You are free to disagree but Blizzard has come out and stated that you can be removed for any reason, or no reason at all.
You can be removed from a group for any reason.
I created this thread so it can be seen and to help clear this misconception up.
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/52363
“Groups are empowered to manage their own members through the vote-kick system. If the majority of the group feels a player should be removed, they can initiate a vote-kick to remove them. The system is entirely under the control of our players. Players may choose to remove any other player from the group for any reason, provided the vote to kick passes.”
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ie-kick-threats-blackmail/37963/4
“It certainly isn’t something that we condone, but why a vote to kick is initiated or passes is not a factor. They may opt to initiate a vote to kick for any reason they wish, or no reason at all.” ~Blizzard CS rep
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What happens to player that is kicked from a m+?
What happens to a player that is kicked from a leveling/normal/heroic ?
Make the loot rules the same and see what happens.
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What do the loot rules have to do with kicking someone? And all dungeons use PL. So I’m not following.
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There’s a difference between “Blizzard doesn’t think this is actionable behavior” and “it’s never unjustified”… A pretty big difference, actually.
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There is no vote to kick in m+.
What does this mean?
You’re right because one is valid and the other means nothing in terms of the game. One is fact and the other is your opinion.
from what I understand…
in m+ you get a reward even if you get kicked out
make it like that for all dungeons and we’d see less kicks for dumb stuff like “healer don’t no skip kek.” in vote kicks, yeah I did actually see that one in a TW no less.
lol… Sure, buddy. People can think something is “unjust” without it being against TOS/illegal. Obviously.
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Whoa OP, lets start taking down that big 'ol Strawman you’ve constructed 
There’s a difference between:
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What is currently the case by the letter of the ToS and Blizzard’s current intention
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What is morally the case outside of that, and players experiences with the game
By discussing the latter, players can provide feedback that Blizzard can take into consideration to address potential changes to the former. This is the spirit in which players are engaging on this topic - I think you’ll be hard pressed to find any players that dispute Blizzard has the final word.
So GG no RE! 
. Try better bait next time big guy - I’ll give it a 2/10 personally.
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There literally are unjustified reasons to kick someone.
Sorry, but that’s not contestable.
Can I kick you for any reason? Yes. When I start a VTK I can just type rubbish into the reason box and then hope everyone else in the group agrees with me and kicks them. But at the end of the day there are only two valid reasons for kicking someone from a group:
- They are hindering the group’s ability to finish the dungeon/raid
- They are acting like a jerk.
Now reason 1 has a lot of wiggle room, but at the end of the day, if the bosses and mobs are dying, everyone is alive and, in the case of M+, the key is still going to be finished on time, then kicking someone for ‘performance’ isn’t okay. But if you’re wiping, trash is taking a long time to clear, or you’re at risk of not timing the key because someone is slowing you down, then yes, kick the person causing the issue (unless they’re the tank or healer in M+ in which case you’re boned).
Reason 2 is pretty clear. Doesn’t matter if they’re trolling or being offensive on purpose (whether it’s sexism, transphobia, racism or just general douchbaggery), if they’re making the group environment uncomfortable, then they should be removed.
Now how about some invalid reasons:
- You don’t want loot competition.
- You don’t like the players race.
- You don’t like their chosen spec.
- You don’t like the way their character looks.
- You’re in a bad mood and want to take it out on someone else.
I could go on listing dozens of reasons which are unjustified. So no, you’re wrong. You won’t be banned for kicking someone for an unjustified reason (unless you’re trying to scam players by doing so). Blizzard won’t stop you. But that doesn’t make it justified.
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Nothing. They can still get loot too. It would just be mailed to them, so there’s no reason to kick someone in M+ if you’re finishing the key, they don’t miss out on a reward chance.
No reward, dungeon deserter penalty.
There’s a difference. You can replace people in normal/heroic dungeons, can’t replace people in M+. Also loot comes per each boss, not just at the end. And if you’re kicked from a normal/heroic, 9/10 times it’s because you went AFK.
The issue with this thread is that “unreasonable” is a matter of opinion, thus why this is a topic about what isn’t against the rules.
I think OP picked the wrong wording.
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There’s a massive difference in that outside of m+, whoever is kicked/leaves is getting replaced.
Blizzards word is concrete, yours is an opinion.
That’s why the wording you’re using is causing misunderstandings. “Unjustified” is “unreasonable.” Which is an opinion. What you’re talking about is whether or not it’s against the rules.
Are you a moral relativist?
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In LFR: “I’m the tank. Kick that DPS or I afk and force you to kick me then wait 30 minutes for a replacement.”
That’s abuse. If this type of thing occurs in whispers to other party members, it’s abuse.
Trying to act like this behavior doesn’t happen and these types of players shouldn’t be punished is just childish.
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You can’t VTK in M+.
Leads kicking someone can be incredibly scummy. Especially in the recent cases of Fyrakk groups starting to kick a bunch of players near the end of the fight, thinking it would increase their chance of getting the legendary, or because it actually does increase the potential drops of god trinkets. That’s right up to touching the line against TOS if not running afoul of it.
But it’s not vote-kicking so that’s a whole separate thing.
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it is an asinine concept, lmao.
NOTHING is illegal…UNTIL it is.
laws are created all the time to cover bad behavior.
Laws are amended all the time to cover new and creative abuses.
The vote kick needs updated.
But we didnt need another thread on the topic lol
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Exactly.
We didnt have that new social contract before…and now we do.
Rules change due to ABUSES that werent covered prior to the new rules.
Its not a foreign concept…well, in reality its not. In here, however, lol.
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