There are no longer any healthy servers left to play on

[Bonézz-illidan]

@Ruke-jom-gabbar

@Nerrick-ashkandi

And Blizz is reaping the rewards. They’re making a fortune off server transfers.

This has been a thing since 2006.
People really should have learned by now not to roll on risky servers unless they want to pay to xfer later.

There’s a few things that some players will just never accept and that is that there’s very little reason to not play on “THE” server because they’re guaranteed to last and it’s better to just deal with queues for awhile than waste your time on a dead server.

The second being that most people simply do not care about World PVP and most of the time will just pick the dominated server of whatever faction they want to play because better PVE guilds have almost always gone to PVP servers. Hence why the biggest NA servers are Benediction for Alliance and Whitemane / Faerlina for Horde.

It’s always been like this.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Ruke-jom-gabbar

Stop trying to claim data is saying something that it clearly isn’t.

If you don’t think data about server population is relevant then stop saying people shouldn’t have “rolled on risky servers”. Nobody had a crystal ball to predict what the server results would be today. Your statements only really apply to people who rolled their characters a few months ago.

A lot of what you say is really out there and I don’t even know where you’re coming from.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

@Mootwo-earthfury

If you don’t think data about server population is relevant then stop saying people shouldn’t have “rolled on risky servers”. Nobody had a crystal ball to predict what the server results would be today.

This is another lie.
Why you completely digging into factually incorrect statements?

If your data included pre-patch players - you’d have a point.

We CAN predict things because it’s happened before.

Like I said - the definition of insanity is doing the same things multiple times and expecting a different result.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

You literally posted a data source that excluded pre-launch players… to argue that server population was balanced prior to pre-launch…

I can’t anymore.

You’re just making things up at this point.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Ruke-jom-gabbar

We CAN predict things because it’s happened before.

So if I asked in July 2020 about what server would be healthy in January 2022 you could have told me the exact server to roll on?

Unlike you, who appears to have come from outer space (but maybe you used to post on another char, who knows), I’ve been watching these servers the whole time. There was a point when I stopped telling people to come to Earthfury (based on what I was seeing with the population shifts). The ones who rolled here before that point wouldn’t have known the future.

I still can’t figure out why you are posting about this on this forum when you seem to be pretty happy with the TBCC mega servers including the faction balance and how things have turned out. Maybe you could explain that instead of insulting me for showing server populations again.

[Chris-kurinnaxx]

you aren’t going to see any solutions. look at the recent community council blue post.

State of TBC Servers

Hello! First off, big thanks to Sixxfury and Basîl for taking the time to write up your thoughts on this. Second, apologies for taking so long to reply. No great reason or excuse other than “I had to think about this post a lot before making it” In any case, this is definitely a top issue for both us and for players, and it’s a topic we are basically always talking about as a team internally. I’d like to preface what I’m about to say with this: player distribution across rea…

“hey community, come up with a solution that doesn’t affect anyone”. yeah good luck with that.

i’ve brought up faction specific login queues several times, since vanilla classic, on different forums and this one. even the players don’t want to hear it. everyone wants a perfect solution that doesn’t exist.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

@Mootwo-earthfury

So if I asked in July 2020 about what server would be healthy in January 2022 you could have told me the exact server to roll on?

Not really a relevant question since if you were joining in July 2020 it was to play classic… not TBC.

We are talking about TBC after all.

If your goal in 2020 was to play TBC - any sane person would tell you to wait for pre patch.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

Except that there were many people who continued on from Classic. These aren’t fresh servers. No wonder you don’t care about the communities etc. Why would you?

I linked you the exact data that a person who was rolling for TBCC would have looked at when picking a server and you just went on and on about how irrelevant it was.

Pretty funny, you didn’t even answer my questions about when you started playing and why you care about this stuff. You also appear to enjoy twisting things. The convos have been fun but that’s enough. Hopefully you can find others to talk to on here.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

@Mootwo-earthfury

linked you the exact data that a person who was rolling for TBCC would have looked at when picking a server

You didn’t actually.
Stop repeating this lie.

It was achieved - meaning anyone that played the pre-patch event was not counted.

Pre-patch population is what you want to look at when determining server strength for joining TBC.

Especially given that we know there would be a faction switch in TBC.

[Zalanii-faerlina]

@Mootwo-earthfury

So if I asked in July 2020 about what server would be healthy in January 2022 you could have told me the exact server to roll on?

Could have easily told you in July of 2020 that whitemane, faerlina and benediction were the largest servers in classic.

Faerlina was the biggest faction wildcard but that was down to alliance streamers quitting and their fans moving on.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

@Mootwo-earthfury

Pretty funny, you didn’t even answer my questions about when you started playing and why you care about this stuff.

I’ve played WoW since 2004.

Played the first few months of classic but guild collapsed and I stopped playing.

Wanted to get back into TBC but faction imbalance issues turned me off from it.

Currently leveling though on benediction in preparation for wrath.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

Thanks for answering about your history.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Zalanii-faerlina

Could have easily told you in July of 2020 that whitemane, faerlina and benediction were the largest servers in classic.

Did you predict that Herod was going to die too?

I used to recommend those servers to people who liked mega servers, it was nice when there were options and more people could enjoy the game.

[Ruke-jom-gabbar]

@Mootwo-earthfury

Did you predict that Herod was going to die too?

Herod’s population died off really quickly.

It was not recommended for alliance within 6 months.

Even horde population dwindled substantially during classic.

So yes. It was predictable.
(Herod was my original server - horde)

[Cepitore-thunderfury]

Blizzard needs to incentivize new players into picking servers and factions that promote server health.

[Zalanii-faerlina]

@Mootwo-earthfury

Did you predict that Herod was going to die too?

it went the way of low-med pop by late AQ and dipped again when naxx came out. Most of us assumed it would die by sunwell, we were a phase early

[Gforce-emerald-dream]

Grobb is 63/37. No matter what you want to think, it’ll be 100% alliance and then completely dead by phase 5. Transfer to benediction.

[Phobicc-faerlina]

@Cepitore-thunderfury

Blizzard needs to incentivize new players into picking servers and factions that promote server health.

Yes. Absolutely. They need to study this and add some levers that make minority faction desirable.

We have years of data that suggests that, on a long enough timeline, the population for most PvP realms will tend to skew towards one faction or the other and that this skew often starts as the result of more incoming players joining the majority faction, rather than players leaving the minority faction.

Yea… seems like someone should figure out what’s going on there. How many years of data do you need?

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Phobicc-faerlina

Yes. Absolutely. They need to study this and add some levers that make minority faction desirable.

There really aren’t any levers that can be pulled there, what would you suggest?

They could merge realms in such a way as to try to balance pops.

[Ruroki-grobbulus]

@Gforce-emerald-dream

Transfer to benediction

I’d sooner quit.
Without Grobb community there is no point.