The cringe in this thread is unreal.
You people act like classic takes more skill than retail. How sad and delusional 
I hate retail but dang, I don’t make up stuff in my head to feel better lol!
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it does 
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Sure it does. To people like you with mental disorders who become pathologically dishonest about things they don’t like.
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it’s a different kind of skill one you wouldn’t understand. and it’s also why people like you keep asking for changes. you can’t handle the difficulty.
I like vanilla as is. I’m just calling you out on your BS. It’s not that deep.
I would love to see you attempt to heroic raid… actually even normal in retail or play any game really that requires some actual skill. This game just requires time and patience. Not skill.
Go run along now. Go switch alts and reply again or whatever it is you do.
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the hard bit is self control really.
Retail as all that early aoe/cleave. Look at them pulling massive mobs.
Era, you can’t do this. the cast bars are real empty lol.
even Cata…I’ve had BRD on 50 to 60 runs someone had to go dudes…one of you need to loot the damned torch! tank is just going on a killing spree and we get no loot time lol.
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Seriously, Avati? You speak as if you only group with bad Warlocks! Which means you probably had a couple bad apples in the bunch, and that’s the entirety of your experience thus far.
I am maining a Warlock in Fresh Classic so far (until I change that). You would NOT be experiencing what you have so far with me. And I can assure you that there are PLENTY of Warlocks on Fresh Classic who will tell you the same thing, which dilutes my words, I know. But there are PLENTY of other (fellow) Warlocks out there who DO NOT do what you keep accusing ALL Warlocks of doing in all your dungeon runs, according to now BOTH your posts. We get it. You’re disgruntled by the few trolls you’ve ran with. But get over it and move on. Not everyone is the same, and Life Tapping to death is definitely NOT a “Warlock Meta” anywhere.
Yup.
A mythic raider in retail can go to classic and destroy the game but a classic player wouldn’t be able to do anything in a mythic raid.
It’s not even close.
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And this…
If you don’t like PvP then don’t roll on a PvP server. Plain and simple.
PvP isn’t about anyone being “fair”. It’s about doing your best to do the most damage in the worst way you possibly can.
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I wish you could have seen the tank I had a few days ago in BFD. -_-
I forgave him for no longer remembering the dungeon. I led it after realizing that, but my instructions fell on deaf ears (eyes, since party chat) up to the Twilight guys.
He was fresh outta retail trying to pull all the mobs together to burn down as if he was running keys or a mythic raid…yeah, yikes! He found out real quick we couldn’t do that, just don’t have the whole “toolkit” to do that with like we do in retail, and after the 3rd wipe, he succumbed with a sigh.
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1 random dude from retail = all mythic raiders are bad.
Yup, seems logical.
Also, who’s to say he wasn’t lying? Maybe he didn’t want you to think he was bad.
Also, who’s to say you aren’t lying right now with some fabricated story to try to back up your claims?
Claims which are objectively false by the way.
it’s not just 1 dude… the server is full of these stories
retail players are good at pushing a bunch of buttons in a sequence. not the whole picture
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At least Frosstfire tries with his trolling, even though the attempts are pathetic at this point.
Yours are just sad in a depressing way. 
Yep. Join a pvp crew and embrace the the value of N+1 warfare.
Fairest fights I’ve seen in bg in cata is duels lol. Some get bored when its a 40 on 4 TB match. Not even hyperbole there.
so we duel each other as ride out the 15 minutes on defence lol. the 4 horde are busy spamming wasd on the gy to not get afk kicked lol.
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There’s also a weird thing I’ve noticed with classic players, they think being bad at the game is fine because it’s easy.
It’s also comical that we’re still having this debate over whether or not classic or retail is harder. Retail is harder in every possible way. It’s not even close. Classic is a knowledge check and that’s it
I’ve had the odd idea more than once how cool it be drop in some SL dungeons into wrath when we had it and see how some purists do there.
As a whole or just bosses. Maybe some mobs. Ain’t no party like a fear party like in necrotic wake. then some classic folks would learn why in retail everyone has an interupt.
Answer…3-4 mobs will fear you. ergo you need 3-4 interupts to deal with it.
It even be lore fitting. Stitch flesh would be right at home in wrath.
Retail is definitely more difficult in terms of all of the raid mechanics and more complicated rotations, and pressing more different buttons in different sequences.
That’s definitely undeniable.
However, it’s much more difficult to level 1-60 in Vanilla compared to Retail.
It’s much more difficult to setup and get into a raid in Vanilla compared to Retail. (LFR for example)
Vanilla is much more time consuming and difficult for some things compared to Retail, and much easier and requires less skill for certain things compared to Retail.
It’s like asking:
“What’s more difficult, setting up a DnD night to play thru a campaign with friends, or beating an Arcade style bullet hell type game with friends?”
DnD obviously requires much less mechanical skill than the Arcade style game, but it’s a lot easier to get people to just jump in the Arcade style game and mash buttons compared to creating a character and backstory and build for the DnD campaign.
Just very different versions of the word “difficulty”
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He hasn’t figured out yet they’re just as bad in retail with the only one difference, in retail game plays you.
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No it’s not stop it. I can fill a raid with 40 randoms and clear any classic raid. If I pug a normal in retail with randoms you’re probably not clearing the last couple bosses.
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I love how I’ll make a detailed thought out post, and people will quote a single line, and in this case not even the entirety of that one single line, out of context, to try to argue with.
Hitting that LFR button is undeniably easier than actually having to do literally anything to get into a raid in Vanilla, that’s my point.
Even if setting up a raid in Vanilla isn’t hard, it’s harder than just pressing a button.
Quote the rest of the post and discuss the nuance of the conversation and we can talk more and have a much better discussion.
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