Bascially you want more time travel in a story already ruined time and time again by time travel, and to this i say please no.
Because the infinite are not with the old gods. I dare you to find me any clear evidences that they work with the old gods, yes Murozond made the hour of twilight come to pass in End Time, but it was not because he worked with the old gods and even less specifically N’zoth.
Its important to consider that, the old gods are done for, and now Xal’atath is unrelated, the song of the deepth is unrelated to the old gods, and you kinda maybe forget one thing in your theory, is that, why wouldnt ie be Azshara who gave the informations to her nagas?
But yeah, i think you should not have too many hopes about that time traveling thingie.
i supposed, idk, it just never felt like we like we actually killed him, especially with him knowing how the events of BFA would play out, as the saying goes “It felt too easy” especially when even the titans didn’t have a clear answer to dealing with the old god corruption…my guess is N’Zoth has been trying to find a balance, which is why the cult that primarily worshipped him was notoriously named, “The Twilight’s Hammer”, but yeah, I’m like 99% certain he transferred his soul to the black blade of the empire in BFA, whether to escape G’huuns rot, avoid the gaze of the void, fuse himself into azeroth, or even simply continue with his plans, i don’t see the most intelligent and cunning of the old gods dying yet
Inifinite are not the old gods, but their actively working with Iridkron, who is already corrupted by the old gods (as it seems beings heavily connected to the earth are highly susceptible to corruption, which if this holds true, it could mean beings of water are highly likely to sway their alligences being perfectly between light and shadow, which N’Zoth is water infused, while beings of fire are more likely to sway towards light (which might be part of why shadow flame causes madness, which if this holds true, then light necromancy might just do the same thing), however we have seen multiple mentions of darkness pooling at the bottom of the ocean,
on top of this, we aren’t entirely sure how the old gods work yet, or even how the deaths of void/lgith beings work, Y’Shaarj was literally ripped from the earth by the titans, thought to be dead eons, until garrosh re-awoke it, and even with just remnants of himself in the form of sha and his heart, he was still fully capable of whispering to us when we faced garrosh
Xal’atath is imo going to be the antagonist of midnight, she follows the void convictions without sway, but the old gods will be the ones to aid us in stopping her, as the old gods who will aid us have been swayed by their infused elements or azeorth, knowing blind faith in the void is misplaced while the current void lords reign likely because one did the unthinkable and formed a pact with death (My guess would be Dimensius the all devouring), which is why N’Zoth choose to corrupt his subordinates specifically to his will over the voids, this is what is leading more and more void subordinates to follow death and why the void reacts so violently when confronted with beings of undeath, because even “The perfection of the void” can be tainted by death
Well, thing is, all is actually answered in the mooment when he appear for the final battle in Ny’alotha he says : “Everything, led you here…to me.” and Wrathion do answer it by saying “For an old god who claim to see everything, you are blind to the threat before you” which is a way to tell you that he is overconfident and lost.
Its why they made Uldir, and why after millenia they found the answer to how to destroy their threat, again, its said in Uldir.
You are all implying that he is, but in truth, you dont know, nothing show him as being corrupted by the old gods. You just imply. But now i can also ask : corrupted by the old gods? or the void? Remeember we had the same feeling with Fyrakk that he was corrupted by shadowflame and it would play out…and it never did.
Ooorrr, he fully intended for us to seal him, which is why he said “Everything, led you here…to me” because he knew we would come with the black blade, and seal him, which is precisely why Wrathion gets corrupted right off the get go, to condition him to aim from the right place so N’Zoth can transfer his soul
I remember Uldir being created to destroy Old God corruption, just as i remember the place was completely abandoned and succumbed to a new type of corruption they created on accident with that weapon we now refer to as the light…however you did make me think here about G’huuns typing, maybe it never had shadow, which is why is does not follow the will of the void
The old gods confirmed this back in like legion, “From the earth he draws strength, our earth, our strength” this quote was highly debated on until dragonflight, where Iridikron who we know for sure is corrupted, but by whom? Which is specifically why they phrased it like that, Iridkron is an agent for N’Zoth/Old Gods parading around as an agent for the void, Fyraak was corrupted but due to the shadowflames effect fell to complete madness, just as deathwing did, following dreams of grandeur, this is likely because shadowflame causes the progressive loss of control over all emotions and eventually only feeling the negative ones, likely due their proximity Y’Shaarj, as he is feeding off them as to overpower beledar. That’s my take on it though
I never understood why people would assume that he got sealed in the blade, the blade just blown up and then it was gone…it exploded, like its gone, i dont know why would peopel assume it sealed n’zoth…it just went kaboom!
Even chronnicles v4 says nothing as such.
What light are you talking about? There is no such thing in Uldir, you have the reorigination blast sequence, and thats how we get rid of G’huun, just you can go back to Uldir and listen what MOTHER says, but to explain you : Titans had no way of destroying the old gods by not localizing the action, the reorigination sequence was meant to reset whole planet, but with the resaerch made in Uldir, then the connection with the different facilities, it was possible to shot directly at the old god.
Wait what, you are literally implying that in Legion they knew what they will do 4 expacs in the future? Thats just not how it work. No this dont confirm anything. You are again implying that this quote talk about Iridikron, nothing says it does. And again, nothing says Iridikron is corrupted by te old gods, and by the way, the old gods work for the Void, you have to accept they are underlings.
Agin, actual proof please, and not jibberish cryptic vague quote. You are exactly demonstrating why i HATE the Void, and why i dont like any theories related to it, its exactly because of these cryptic, vague bs that means nothing.
Because Azhara said we needed to stab his heart, yet when you watch the same cinematic I saw, he stabbed N’Zoths head, and when he does some kind of anima like power surging into the blade…like how can you not think that? plus with the old gods they don’t seem to send souls to the void, if you recall the N’Zoth fight, you can very clearly hear deathwing speaking once or twice, which could mean the old gods are collecting souls, keeping them away from the void, why? like i said above
yes, the origination blast sequence, which if you recall, is quite literally just a blast of light magic, and the light as we have seen is not above lightforging beings from death (recall the lightforged dreadlord in legion) which is exactly why i said both the light and shadow jumped into action at G’huun, the shadow lost and the light won, by having us use the reorigination beam to lightforge G’huun, the reorigination beam destroyed the shadow by merely replacing the shadow within that rotting old god flesh with light, which dirsupted the natural order, which is what originally caused G’huuns creation, then by killing it the way we did, we sent its soul to the light, which is likely the reason the pillory of light can use necromancy now, additionally, upon seeing G’huun we confirmed N’Zoth’s plan which is why he sets it in motion literally right after, as now he knows that Old Gods do not have to instinctively follow the will of the void, assuming the conditions are met
Underlings rebel, intelligent underlings question their masters motives, the entire shadowlands expansion was literally us and the death gods rebelling against the will of death, additionally if you had done your weeklies you would see the new titan disc, which reveals the thraegar (earthen turned to diamond by azeroth) rebelled against the titans, and the earthen revere them as heroes, it seems the closer one is to azeroth’s world soul, the more influence she has over them, and of all the old gods, N’Zoth was arguably the closest, and being of the water element, its only natural he would begin to question his masters, there is another phrase, which is when the old gods learn of iridkron, also in legion “A presence, new, yet familar, yes” as Irdikron was the primal of earth, while Neltharion was the aspect of it, and another phrase we have heard which could hint at what is to come “You will follow him to the deep places, the dark waters will flow in his wake” this could mean Iridkron has a plan, potentially leading us right to N’Zoths rebirth
Iridkron wants the destruction of the titans, not the destruction of Azeroth, this is likely what N’Zoth wants, but like you stated previously, underlings of the void have to follow their masters, correct? this is why i believe N’Zoths destruction was merely a piece of his plan, as not only allowed him to test us, to see if we could truly resist the influence of the void/light, but additionally it got him away from the impending rot and likely into Iridikrons hands, which is precisely why he gave Xal’atath the dark heart and told us who he gave it to, as not only to guide us to destroying it, but to keep up his guise up as a void underling to us, this type of writing with old gods is why i like it, a lot of things relatin to the old gods are vague or riddles, it creates so many unique ideas, this allegience to N’Zoth is also why Iridikron had Fyraak gorge upon the Shadowflame as to keep N’Zoths deal to Y’shaarj
I will throw you another bone, the cult that follows the old gods (primarily N’Zoth) is known as the Twilight’s Hammer, Twilight ofc referring to the fading light we see at the end of the day AND the light we see in the morning, blizzard likes to have double meanings in their stuff (especially lately…space ghosts on the coast) so take that as you will, but my guess is again N’Zoth wants to find balance (likely for his own motives), as shadow is a necessary evil to prevent the light from consuming all
Its not what she says, she says she would have plunged the dagger in his heart herself. which is different, and i will explain you why its different :
N’zoth once summoned, at the end of the eternal palace was in a weakened state, in this weakened state, Azshara could have killed him with the dagger alone, and her power.
But, as she was not able to do so, N’zoth escaped and went in Ny’alotha, to reain his strenght, in this empowered form, he was no longer able to be killed with the dagger alone, meaning we had to use more tools to kill him.
All of this is explained in Chronnicles v4 by the way, that N’zoth was weakened in eternal palace and that the dagger was needed to kill him as well as the azerit beam.
Thus all your theory around this dosent quite work.
Wait…what? What is this now…what do you even try to tell here…thiis makes not a single sense, the fact you see Deathwing in N’zoth fight is not about souls, its a flash back, and its by the way a reference to the Yogg saron fight when you did see events of the past. Its not meant as to be more than this, its just to tell you that these events happenned, nothing more. You also see a scene when Azshara and Sylvanas made their deal.
Dam, i am speachless, how you can make up such non sense now.
I feel like its useless to even continue further explaining you anything…but i will do anyway.
You are just confusing stuff now, the titans use different form of magic, not just the arcane, its not because the beam look “light” that it is “light magic” of the Light cosmic force…like do you know Eonar is a titan of Nature?
They are not intelligent and never did question their masters, they do what they are meant to, corrupt the titan, thats it. You just hope they are more, but clearly they not, and nothing says that they are.
There is many things that dont work here :
1 - Iridikron use the Void for his own gain, he dont care about the Void, he says it himself, he dont like the old gods either, he just want to kill the titans.
2 - You know there is others old gods than N’zoth? Like, i dont get why you focus on N’zoth as if the other 3 were stupids…N’zoth was the weakest of them all, why do you feel the need to have him have a 24d chess plan?
Not to mention, you say “ho it was too easy to kill n’zoth” while it is the old god we took the most power to finally kill, and you would not say “it was too eays to kill c’thun and Yogg saron” like why?
Alrighty, thanks for stopping by, I won’t deny I don’t remember 100% of the events clearly as I’m diagnoised schizo-affective, but to derail this topic and turn to insults unprovoked because you have nothing better to do, I will no longer be conversing with you, have a good life and may whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul <3
Well, i mean, lets be honest, you literally manage to make up a story about souls being kept by the old gods from their master purely because you see Deathwing in the N’zoth fight even if everything tells you its a vision…
At this point i dont know what can be done, you can literally make up anything out of anything if you want…
Not to mention a clear lack of understanding of how the magic work in wow, like for example, why is there arcan magic used by a lot of shadowlands creatures? Its not because they are titan related…
Not to mention, that the origination blast that you claim is Light related, dont even do Holy damage, but ARCANE damage, so no its not Light beam, its an Order beam, even the gameplay tells you its not Light but TITAN related!!! And here we can see how you are just willing to twist reality with your own vision (just like n’zoth!!!) its not because you see a yellow beam that it is Light, you have to check the facts on for example the damage it deals!
That statement for example is fallacy, because, the Twillight Hammer, was originally an orcish clan, which had no idea who N’zoth was in the frist place, not even knew who the old gods were in the frist place, even chronnicles 2 explain you that it was created on Draenor so how would they know about the old gods lol. Also i love how you state they primarly served N’zoth, while thats wrong, they are just everywhere old gods stuff was, in Vanilla they were all around silithus with c’thun in woltk they were all in ulduar, and in cata about all around, operation that N’zoth said to do with Deathwing, but actually, you kinda wrong to say that they are N’zoth related because…where are they in bfa? because i remind you the cultist in bfa are not even of the twilight hammer, they just cultisits.
So yeah, sorry for the insulst (i did not really insult but ok) but seeing someone who is just so willingly twisting reality without even checking the facts, like its me who had to log in wow and check the originiation blast myself to check what damages it delt to prouve you wrong, while i mean, you are supposed to do it yourself you know?
When you tell a theory, you have to base yourself on facts and somewhat consistant thoughts, not just throw away something and call it a day.
They don’t contradict anything, despite being wrong about a few elements my theory still stands albeit with some adjustments, and there is plenty of wiggle room right now, had you been able to act like an adult and not a toddler prob could have even narrowed things down further, but alas maturity isn’t your strong suit i see
Lmao, questionning your theory by giving you facts is not acting like an adult?
You just for some reason so hard to want N’zoth not to be dead and old gods to be more than what they are that you refuse to aknowlodge that they gone and blizzard spam you they are since bfa.